Go Back   Sonic Youth Gossip > Non-Sonic Sounds
Reload this Page Is anyone interested in demolishing this naffest of musical terms?
Register FAQ Members List Mark Forums Read

 
Thread Tools
Old 07.31.2006, 02:31 PM   #1
porkmarras
invito al cielo
 
porkmarras's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: London - UK
Posts: 14,334
porkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's asses
Also known as:IDM?
__________________



porkmarras is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 07.31.2006, 02:32 PM   #2
Пятхъдесят Шест
invito al cielo
 
Пятхъдесят Шест's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Omaha, Nebraska, USA
Posts: 3,078
Пятхъдесят Шест kicks all y'all's assesПятхъдесят Шест kicks all y'all's assesПятхъдесят Шест kicks all y'all's assesПятхъдесят Шест kicks all y'all's assesПятхъдесят Шест kicks all y'all's assesПятхъдесят Шест kicks all y'all's assesПятхъдесят Шест kicks all y'all's assesПятхъдесят Шест kicks all y'all's assesПятхъдесят Шест kicks all y'all's assesПятхъдесят Шест kicks all y'all's assesПятхъдесят Шест kicks all y'all's asses
How do you suggest we demolish it?
Пятхъдесят Шест is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 07.31.2006, 02:32 PM   #3
HaydenAsche
invito al cielo
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 10,775
HaydenAsche kicks all y'all's assesHaydenAsche kicks all y'all's assesHaydenAsche kicks all y'all's assesHaydenAsche kicks all y'all's assesHaydenAsche kicks all y'all's assesHaydenAsche kicks all y'all's assesHaydenAsche kicks all y'all's assesHaydenAsche kicks all y'all's assesHaydenAsche kicks all y'all's assesHaydenAsche kicks all y'all's assesHaydenAsche kicks all y'all's asses
Yes. I'm in favour. What is the date for demolition?
__________________
rip
HaydenAsche is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 07.31.2006, 02:34 PM   #4
porkmarras
invito al cielo
 
porkmarras's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: London - UK
Posts: 14,334
porkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's assesporkmarras kicks all y'all's asses
When dance music hasn't been intelligent i really don't know.All i know is that this most odious of terms has been probably invented by people who are scared of their own microwaves.Go on,pick those shovels and let's give this guitar-adoring term a good run for it's money.
__________________



porkmarras is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 07.31.2006, 03:24 PM   #5
Savage Clone
invito al cielo
 
Savage Clone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 10,921
Savage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's asses
"IDM" is bad, but not as bad as "Post Rock."
Savage Clone is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 07.31.2006, 03:24 PM   #6
alyasa
invito al cielo
 
alyasa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Singapore
Posts: 3,799
alyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's asses
It's just basically electronic music that's not wholly dance-oriented. Like Prodigy or Scooter are wholly dance-oriented, that is made for discos and people with really loud, high-end stereo systems and live in secluded mansions where there are no neighbours and an olympic-sized swimming pool to chill out in after a long night of ecstasy and ice-fuelled dancing and lovemaking. It's like alternative rock. It's rock, but not for shitting in a trailer whilst drinking beer rock. Or is it?
__________________
Sab Kuch Tick Tock Hai
alyasa is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 07.31.2006, 03:25 PM   #7
Cantankerous
invito al cielo
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: A RETIREMENT HOME
Posts: 18,536
Cantankerous kicks all y'all's assesCantankerous kicks all y'all's assesCantankerous kicks all y'all's assesCantankerous kicks all y'all's assesCantankerous kicks all y'all's assesCantankerous kicks all y'all's assesCantankerous kicks all y'all's assesCantankerous kicks all y'all's assesCantankerous kicks all y'all's assesCantankerous kicks all y'all's assesCantankerous kicks all y'all's asses
it's fuckin horrible tripe.
__________________
RETIRED
Cantankerous is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 07.31.2006, 03:26 PM   #8
alyasa
invito al cielo
 
alyasa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Singapore
Posts: 3,799
alyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's asses
Yeah, labels are for cans. This particular one seems more derivative than most.
__________________
Sab Kuch Tick Tock Hai
alyasa is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 07.31.2006, 04:52 PM   #9
Iain
invito al cielo
 
Iain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,555
Iain kicks all y'all's assesIain kicks all y'all's assesIain kicks all y'all's assesIain kicks all y'all's assesIain kicks all y'all's assesIain kicks all y'all's assesIain kicks all y'all's assesIain kicks all y'all's assesIain kicks all y'all's assesIain kicks all y'all's assesIain kicks all y'all's asses
IDM is way worse than Post Rock I think. It's such an embarrasingly awful sub-genre label that people always have to abbreviate it for fear of retching if they actually have to type/write Intelligent Dance Music...bllleeegghhhhh.
Iain is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 07.31.2006, 04:54 PM   #10
Savage Clone
invito al cielo
 
Savage Clone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 10,921
Savage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's asses
OK then, how about "EBM?"
Electronic Body Music?

Commence retching.
Savage Clone is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 07.31.2006, 05:28 PM   #11
Glice
invito al cielo
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,765
Glice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's asses
I remember this interview with John Peel where he said he liked the idea of intelligent drum n' bass, because it presupposed the existence of stupid drum n' bass...

Music to dance to. It's intelligent already. Just not cerebral.

SC - the thing with EBM is that if you go to a proper EBM night it should be loud enough to live up to its name. Slimelight in Islington, for instance.

In synopsis - IDM is dance music for people who don't dance (who should therefore be sectioned). EBM is for industrialists who go to raves, which I heartily approve of. Post-rock is for eunochs.
__________________
Message boards are the last vestige of the spent masturbator, still intent on wasting time in some neg-heroic fashion. Be damned all who sail here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage Clone
Last time I was in Chicago I spent an hour in a Nazi submarine with a banjo player.
Glice is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 07.31.2006, 05:32 PM   #12
Savage Clone
invito al cielo
 
Savage Clone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 10,921
Savage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's asses
Actually the thing with EBM is that it's a pretty stagnant genre that has sounded exactly the same since roughly 1988 and has all but ruined modern goth music forever, or so it would seem.
Savage Clone is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 07.31.2006, 05:36 PM   #13
Glice
invito al cielo
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 12,765
Glice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's assesGlice kicks all y'all's asses
Oh right. Yeah, that is very true. I generally get more annoyed by how industrial means goth-house to most industrialists, and I can't get into a decent conversation with them about Einsturzende Neubauten or Throbbing Gristle.
__________________
Message boards are the last vestige of the spent masturbator, still intent on wasting time in some neg-heroic fashion. Be damned all who sail here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage Clone
Last time I was in Chicago I spent an hour in a Nazi submarine with a banjo player.
Glice is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 07.31.2006, 05:37 PM   #14
Savage Clone
invito al cielo
 
Savage Clone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 10,921
Savage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's assesSavage Clone kicks all y'all's asses
I refer to it as "Death Disco In Plastic Pants And Goggles."

Full concurrence.
Savage Clone is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 07.31.2006, 11:04 PM   #15
alyasa
invito al cielo
 
alyasa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Singapore
Posts: 3,799
alyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's assesalyasa kicks all y'all's asses
EBM, like most modern electronic music has to be experienced, rather than heard. It's 'body' moniker bears testament to that. With regards to IDM, I'm thinkng that is the distinction that the critics and hoi polloi have placed on certain electronic music that can actually be listened to; at home, for instance. I still don't fully understand why the intelligent part though. Are they implying that all such music has deeper connotations and layers? Are they implying it's a pretentious intellectual fuck?
__________________
Sab Kuch Tick Tock Hai
alyasa is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 07.31.2006, 11:33 PM   #16
GeneticKiss
expwy. to yr skull
 
GeneticKiss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 1,631
GeneticKiss kicks all y'all's assesGeneticKiss kicks all y'all's assesGeneticKiss kicks all y'all's assesGeneticKiss kicks all y'all's assesGeneticKiss kicks all y'all's assesGeneticKiss kicks all y'all's assesGeneticKiss kicks all y'all's assesGeneticKiss kicks all y'all's assesGeneticKiss kicks all y'all's assesGeneticKiss kicks all y'all's assesGeneticKiss kicks all y'all's asses
No name for a musical style/movement will ever be worse than "grunge".

I personally can't say EBM out loud becuz I hear "BM" and immediately think of shit.
GeneticKiss is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 08.01.2006, 12:59 AM   #17
acousticrock87
invito al cielo
 
acousticrock87's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 5,543
acousticrock87 cold hard suckaacousticrock87 cold hard suckaacousticrock87 cold hard suckaacousticrock87 cold hard suckaacousticrock87 cold hard suckaacousticrock87 cold hard suckaacousticrock87 cold hard suckaacousticrock87 cold hard suckaacousticrock87 cold hard suckaacousticrock87 cold hard suckaacousticrock87 cold hard sucka
IDM and EBM always sound like telephone companies to me.

"Wanna listen to some EBM?"
No I use Verizon.
"...What?"
acousticrock87 is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 08.01.2006, 01:16 AM   #18
Style
stalker
 
Style's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Califronia
Posts: 419
Style kicks all y'all's assesStyle kicks all y'all's assesStyle kicks all y'all's assesStyle kicks all y'all's assesStyle kicks all y'all's assesStyle kicks all y'all's assesStyle kicks all y'all's assesStyle kicks all y'all's assesStyle kicks all y'all's assesStyle kicks all y'all's assesStyle kicks all y'all's asses
IDM is a fun genre to listen to, but I agree that the label does suck. IDM was the name of a mailing list for aphex twin. Then some people came along and decided to make it a genre and made it stand for intelligent dance music. Aphex actually dislikes the term, even though he's seen as one of the original idm artists.
Style is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 08.01.2006, 04:10 AM   #19
cosmokramer
bad moon rising
 
cosmokramer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 138
cosmokramer kicks all y'all's assescosmokramer kicks all y'all's assescosmokramer kicks all y'all's assescosmokramer kicks all y'all's assescosmokramer kicks all y'all's assescosmokramer kicks all y'all's assescosmokramer kicks all y'all's assescosmokramer kicks all y'all's assescosmokramer kicks all y'all's assescosmokramer kicks all y'all's assescosmokramer kicks all y'all's asses
i give my stamp of approval for destruction.
__________________
 
cosmokramer is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|
Old 08.01.2006, 04:29 AM   #20
_slavo_
invito al cielo
 
_slavo_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Россия
Posts: 10,294
_slavo_ kicks all y'all's asses_slavo_ kicks all y'all's asses_slavo_ kicks all y'all's asses_slavo_ kicks all y'all's asses_slavo_ kicks all y'all's asses_slavo_ kicks all y'all's asses_slavo_ kicks all y'all's asses_slavo_ kicks all y'all's asses_slavo_ kicks all y'all's asses_slavo_ kicks all y'all's asses_slavo_ kicks all y'all's asses
As the term itself, IDM sucks major ass and I approve too.
But as a subgenre within electronic music concerning music not labels, in my personal opinion a thing called nu-jazz is just the worst fucking horrible thing ever invented. Come on, jazzy noodling with two or three beats, plus cheesy vocal samples and very user-friendly chill out atmosphere....hell, it's really bad.
__________________



you're the boy

that can enjoy
invisibility
_slavo_ is offline   |QUOTE AND REPLY|


Thread Tools

All content ©2006 Sonic Youth