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Old 01.19.2017, 12:47 PM   #1041
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Last night I watched the final two episodes of The Fall. I really enjoyed that series. Gillian Anderson is really good, and is consistently so. I'm of course a big fan of The X-Files, and really liked her in Hannibal. So with The Fall, its her chance to finally be the star of her own series, and she did not disappoint. And her next series will be American Gods. So, she certainly knows how to pick a good series.
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Old 01.19.2017, 10:07 PM   #1042
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Last night I watched the final two episodes of The Fall. I really enjoyed that series. Gillian Anderson is really good, and is consistently so. I'm of course a big fan of The X-Files, and really liked her in Hannibal. So with The Fall, its her chance to finally be the star of her own series, and she did not disappoint. And her next series will be American Gods. So, she certainly knows how to pick a good series.

Wait, who's she set to play in American Gods? I either never heard about or forgot this.

I'm not yet super convinced that AG will live up to the hype. What a tough book to adapt. And while their decision to change up cultural roles is definitely increasing my interest, I still would have absolutely LOVED to have seen Richard Attenborough (before, you know, he died... RIP) as Wednesday. And if not him, Billy Connolly would have done the role justice.

Ian McShane intrigues me though. A dark haired Scot playing a Latino version of Odin. Is that whitewashing, the opposite of whitewashing, or something else altogether? Anyway... for a more ominous and frightening Wednesday/Odin who is nothing like what the book describes, it's a pretty good choice.

Still, I feel like there was a missed opportunity with this one. This should have been made ages ago. As a movie. Directed by Terry Gilliam. With Clive Owen as Shadow, Attenborough or Connolly as Wednesday, and Morgan Freeman as Anansi. Maybe Naomi Watts as ghost-wife whatshername.

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Old 01.19.2017, 11:20 PM   #1043
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the latino business... is very funny

latino is not a "race". sure there are a lot of mestizos as a majority, but it's a very diverse continent. it's mostly a cultural thing.

you have a mishmash of indians, spaniards, africans; various kind of european refugees, asian immigrants, and more-- all of whom interfucked, hard. because there is no segregation. racism sure, but no prohibition to go and fuck the "other". so we're like a litter of mongrel puppies.

in latin america you have black latinos with italian last names, white latinas with chinese last names, quasi-albino latino grandchildren of klaus barbie, amazonian indians who speak no word of spanish and couldn't be "latinos" if their life depended on it, shakira is an arab and so was garcia marquez, etc. etc.
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Old 01.20.2017, 09:10 AM   #1044
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Puerto Rico has black Puerto Ricans with jewish names. Brown Puerto Ricans with German names. Chinese 4th generation Puerto Ricans. All types. I hate the terms used to describe people from Latin America. THey (white folks, you know, the ones who run shit?) like to use one term to generalize about hundreds of millions of people living in wildly different countries with wildly different histories and culture. Latino means nothing. Italians are LATIN-o for Mario's sake. Hispanic means only that your first language is spanish, which leaves out Brazil and several other smaller countries which do not speak Spanish mainly. People from Spain are Hispanic by definition.
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Old 01.20.2017, 09:41 AM   #1045
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the latino business... is very funny

latino is not a "race". sure there are a lot of mestizos as a majority, but it's a very diverse continent. it's mostly a cultural thing.

I'm confused. I know this. I don't believe I said it was a "race." I think I said something about the American Gods TV show changing up the cultural identities of the characters.

In any case, I certainly did not mean any offense, and I didn't mean to imply that I am any kind of authority on "Latino" cultural identity. I apologize if I was crass. I was probably subconsciously trying really hard to not be offensive. I am, after all, a liberal white guy

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you have a mishmash of indians, spaniards, africans; various kind of european refugees, asian immigrants, and more-- all of whom interfucked, hard. because there is no segregation. racism sure, but no prohibition to go and fuck the "other". so we're like a litter of mongrel puppies.

in latin america you have black latinos with italian last names, white latinas with chinese last names, quasi-albino latino grandchildren of klaus barbie, amazonian indians who speak no word of spanish and couldn't be "latinos" if their life depended on it, shakira is an arab and so was garcia marquez, etc. etc.

I have to admit, I'm not as familiar with all of this is as I should be. I think I told you once that we have property in rural New Mexico (fucking beautiful place) and I'd love to live there at some point, and I'd like to avoid insulting the extremely diverse people there with my "white dude on vacation" ignorance.

I did know about Gabriel Garcia Marquez though.
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no i mean, the idea that gringos have of "latinos" is of a very stereotyped mestizo character. i was just trying to clarify.

mestizo is (like the canadian métis) a basic indian-spanish blend. so you get brown skin / black hair / black eyes and a mixture of european and indian properties. mestizos are a majority in countries that had large native civilizations-- mexico, ex-mayan countries, & the andes.

but people who come from this part of the world are all called "latinos."

the thing is latin america doesn't just have mestizos. black slaves were brought over (and the genetic diversity within africa is greater than the rest of the whole world), waves of immigrants came over, and the fucking never stopped.

a dark haired scot playing a latino version of odin actually sounds very latin american ha ha ha. just like vicente fox,6'4", president of mexico, has not an english last name but a german one (fuchs), and peruvian dictator fujimori fled to the japan of his ancestors when he got into trouble-- now there's a polish guy in charge there.

funny story-- that super hot colombian lady from some lame tv show, family something-- you know the one im talking about-- is actually blonde. but she died her hair dark so she'd get more parts, ha ha ha.

don't sweat it man. a litter of mongrel puppies is what "latino" means.
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Puerto Rico has black Puerto Ricans with jewish names. Brown Puerto Ricans with German names. Chinese 4th generation Puerto Ricans. All types. I hate the terms used to describe people from Latin America. THey (white folks, you know, the ones who run shit?) like to use one term to generalize about hundreds of millions of people living in wildly different countries with wildly different histories and culture. Latino means nothing. Italians are LATIN-o for Mario's sake. Hispanic means only that your first language is spanish, which leaves out Brazil and several other smaller countries which do not speak Spanish mainly. People from Spain are Hispanic by definition.

I really didn't intend to sweep everyone under one rug. And fuck me, I am only presuming that the American Gods show is focusing on "people from Latin America" (your term), based on the dialogue I've heard in previews and casting choices. The story is about the "original immigrants" — gods from a host of different cultures, so even even if the main characters are from the Norse pantheon, multiculturalism is a major part of the whole thing. If the shoe is anything like the book and stories, it will include Arabic, Hindu, Crimean, and South African characters, mythologies and cultural histories, among others.

I apologize if what I said was insulting or dismissive in ANY way.

Though just to be clear, when I was in school I took a graduate course in cultural social work, and (because generalist MSW courses are often terrible) we studied racial and cultural designations. For better or worse, "Latino/a" was the recommended term.

Not passing the buck on my poor cultural literacy, but I am definitely deflecting part of the blame to the American academic system.
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Me and the wife have been watching Cheers on Netflix. Also about 4 eps into new Black Mirror season. creepy as all fuck.

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@ severian - nobody is blaming you man.

just explaining is all.

the first time i came to the us is the first time i had to pick a racial label for myself. seriously. i don't know what my "race" is.

i often refuse these nazi categorizations & checkmark "other" and in the blank space write "human".

if there's money in it i'll take the label though ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa
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no i mean, the idea that gringos have of "latinos" is of a very stereotyped mestizo character. i was just trying to clarify.

mestizo is (like the canadian métis) a basic indian-spanish blend. so you get brown skin / black hair / black eyes and a mixture of european and indian properties. mestizos are a majority in countries that had large native civilizations-- mexico, ex-mayan countries, & the andes.

but people who come from this part of the world are all called "latinos."

the thing is latin america doesn't just have mestizos. black slaves were brought over (and the genetic diversity within africa is greater than the rest of the whole world), waves of immigrants came over, and the fucking never stopped.

a dark haired scot playing a latino version of odin actually sounds very latin american ha ha ha. just like vicente fox,6'4", president of mexico, has not an english last name but a german one (fuchs), and peruvian dictator fujimori fled to the japan of his ancestors when he got into trouble.

funny story-- that super hot colombian lady from some lame tv show, family something-- you know the one im talking about-- is actually blonde. but she died her hair dark so she'd get more parts, ha ha ha.

don't sweat it man. a litter of mongrel puppies is what "latino" means.

Well, a litter of mongrel puppies is what "American" means too, though a little over half the population is really into forgetting all about that.

Actually, I think the same is true of a lot of cultures and "races." In that same godawful cultural S.W. class, we did some lineage tracing to prove some point that now escapes me. By all accounts from my family, and even, ultimately, in the class, I'm close to being of 100% Irish. But if going back a bit, I see that I had a great-great-grandmother who married the son of an Italian whose mother was half Greek. In Ireland. But I'm "Irish." And — funnily enough — the Irish people I've met tell me that if I were to say that in Ireland, I'd be lauhed out of the pub.

See.. now I'm remembering that we were essentially using Ancestry.com for accredited graduate coursework, which is of course obscenely stupid. So if you ever hear me bitching again about how I wish I'd stayed in grad school, do me a favor and remind me of this.

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In all fairness, that class was an elective. I had much better teachers and far fewer mind-numbingly stupid assignments in my program work.
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"race' is such a holdover concept from the white patriarchy supremacy mindset. it needs to be discarded. we are all one species.
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no one is 100% anything. NO ONE. even the most inbred British royal family dipshit has a radical mix of shit in their DNA. Fuck, the "royal" family of assholes that England loves to suck ass on are fucking FRENCH!!!!!!!!!!! FRENCH!!!!!!!!!!
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No they're not. If anything they're German, but not French.
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Me and the wife have been watching Cheers on Netflix. Also about 4 eps into new Black Mirror season. creepy as all fuck.

The newest Sherlock season was real hit or miss. I do not think Sherlock did any detective work whatsoevere. fucking tedious. The showrunners wrote all the episodes this last season and they made it much more like a superhero movie like the shit shit shit jude law and robert downey jr sherlock films, where he also does not detective work and is somehow a master MMA fighter in 1880's England....

Sunny was funny.

Re: Sherlock.
I've heard the same things. It's all Moffat's doing. He's done great things on Doctor Who, against all odds (he was tasked with following David Tennant's franchise-saving 10th Doctor after all, so I think he's done pretty well on the whole.) But honestly, he tries to make Doctor Who a bit too "superhero-y" at times too. And Doctor Who kind of already IS a superhero, so it should take some serious misuses of canonical character attributes to make it seem like "too much," and yet...

Anyway, the RDJ/Jude Law movies were a product of their time. "Gritty," violent origin story reboots were in vogue back then. Unfortunately, I think the wonderful Batman Begins is to blame, however unintentionally.
Batman Begins begat Casino Royale begat "dark" Sherlock the American kickboxer begat JJ Abrams' Star Trek begat JJ Abrams' Star Wars. It was the best and worst of times for gritty reboots. I think the movies are OK for a larf, but as a fan of Doyle's stories, I can't in good conscience stomach their existence.

Sherlock (BBC) seemed a fitting antidote to that for the first 2 seasons. But I've heard tons of people say exactly what you're saying about the new eps, and that's a damn shame. I hear they cast the guy who played Dr. Zola in Captain America as the villain. Oi.

Loved the "Moriarty" character though. Forget the name of the guy who played the part, but he was excellent. ALTHOUGH, to be entirely fair, that character had Heath Ledger Joker syndrome pretty fucking bad. He was great, but the writers were definitely going for THAT kind of vibe. So maybe the show's been harboring superhero aspirations the whole time.

(Fun fact: That guy who played Moriarty was also in SPECTRE, the unnecessary third sequel to the aforementioned "gritty" Batman Begins-influenced 007 reboot. And Benedict is Doctor Strange... AND Khan... so these reboot factories are clearly all dipping into the same pool.
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new Sherlock. Just a bunch of trying to be way too clever. Sort of like a Black Mirror spin off. Vapid, I blame Mark Gatiss, he's OK in the role, but the writing is pretty poor. On the Sherlock movies, I disagree, I think that the Guy Ritchies are pretty entertaining, the visuals are fantastic, esp Game of Shadows. The pre ww1 German army with the forest shelling scene!
Eddie Marsan is great in them as Lestrade, and I like Stephen Fry better as Mycroft than Gatiss, and Jared Harris better as Moriarity.
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"race' is such a holdover concept from the white patriarchy supremacy mindset. it needs to be discarded. we are all one species.

From a social science perspective, "race," though certainly an antiquated concept, can have a positive influenc on self-realization and cultural identity. I think a lot of people, even the most progressive, would shun the idea of abandoning "race" if they were asked to do it themselves. I'm not quite sure we're "there" yet. People have a surprising amount of effect-blindness to the negative results of viewing the world in terms of in- and out-groups... in the sense that they see how racial identity can unite, but inexplicably don't seem to see how it can divide. This is true of most people all over the world.

Right now, we're at an evolutionary impasse with regard to this stuff. Most sane people openly admonish segregation when it's imposed, but their own mental schemas of the world are still built on principles of categorization, classification and segregation. They don't want it to be forced upon them physically, but they want to engage in it cognitively and perceptually.

I don't think "we" have the capacity for understanding necessary to surpass this tendency yet. Until we do, I don't think we'll be ready for a "post-race" society.

More likely, it will be a slow brute force act of evolution that wipes out race-centric thinking. Nature will do it, because it's smarter than we are. When everyone has procreated with everyone else so much that racial divisions become imperceptible, then we'll have a fighting chance. Until then, I fear our own limited minds will prevent us from engaging, and sometimes delighting in, this grotesque practice of human taxonomy.

You mention the royal family. Yeah. As long enter countries bow to families for no reason other than their purity, breeding and lineage, things are going to stay ridiculous.
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speaking of waht are you watching on tv, you-know-who is on tv right now and im 100% avoiding it. i just can't fucking look.
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yes. YES! They tried to make sherlock be Black Mirrori-ish, where the audience is left disturbed. I dont read sherlock or watch sherlock to be disturbed. I want to see deductive reasoning.

at one point, fucking sherlock says he is going to "warm up" by solving crimes that people send him on twitter or text or something, and they show a montage with barely legible texts asking sherlock to solve something and he solves like 20 of them just from the texts and sitting there with his fucking MAGIC. I hated it. fucking blasphemous.
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