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Old 04.23.2010, 04:36 PM   #1
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...according to you.

At random... The Dead Kennedys reunion thing a few years back.

The videos taken from those gigs are just painful to watch...
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Old 04.23.2010, 04:41 PM   #2
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Pixies cash-in reunion.

those fuckers HATE each other, and avoid each other like the plague, but Kim Deal needed heroin money I guess.....
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Old 04.23.2010, 04:50 PM   #3
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"We're interested in anything that's going to earn us a fair wage. It's not to say it's not about art, but we made that art fucking 20 years ago. So forget the fucking goddamn art. This ain't about the art anymore. I did the arty farty part. Now it's time to talk about the money."

"I was recently quoted about the state of the music business, and I was saying it should be kind of a $5 world right now. Records and tickets should be cheap, given the overpricing of the recent years and the state of the world economy. But now, this box comes out and I feel like the biggest shithead in the world."

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Old 04.23.2010, 04:59 PM   #4
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That (first) Frank Black quote is kind of awesome in a way. Have you ever heard a musician be that honest about his business?
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Old 04.23.2010, 05:02 PM   #5
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Old 04.23.2010, 05:08 PM   #6
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I thought the term "selling out" was done. I thought we were over that.

If someone can make alot of money doing what you're "passionate" about, good on them! What is wrong with that, if it doesn't ruin the quality?
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Old 04.23.2010, 05:15 PM   #7
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What is wrong with that, if it doesn't ruin the quality?


Well that's kind of the issue, in many cases...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktY9K...eature=related
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Old 04.23.2010, 05:21 PM   #8
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Chumbawamba going from underground crusties to what they became was pretty weird.
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Old 04.23.2010, 05:25 PM   #9
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Liz Phair hiring Avril lavignes' producers to make a cash-in record
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Old 04.23.2010, 05:29 PM   #10
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Old 04.23.2010, 05:30 PM   #11
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Well that's kind of the issue, in many cases...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktY9K...eature=related

Sometimes.

Well, ok, when they're missing a key element, but using the name to sell.,,
It's not even the same band.

Oh well. When I hear "selling out", I automatically assume people are going to start complaining about their sacrid indie/underground/first one to hear about it band is being exposed to a wider audience, and it hurts.

Maybe that part is indeed over now, and I need to grow up and move oooon.
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Old 04.23.2010, 05:39 PM   #12
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black eyed peas went from being an mediocre underground hiphop group to the most corporately tied in group on the planet. apparently the main dude gives seminars on marketing and the like to office workers now.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...636121658.html
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Old 04.23.2010, 05:41 PM   #13
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Old 04.23.2010, 06:10 PM   #14
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Liz Phair hiring Avril lavignes' producers to make a cash-in record

A thousand fucking times yes. This is the first thing that came to mind. To go from, say, this and this, to this and this, in what is pretty obviously a straight up cynical cash grab, just really makes me sad. I mean that. Like literally upset. I know that's stupid, and it doesn't diminish those early records, and if the artist is happy then who cares, and whatever, but damn...

Those early recordings, Exile In Guyville and the Girlysound tapes really, still shine for me as some of most unique and generally fantastic work in 90s indie. So raw and personal and eloquent and just... I love them so much. And then the records drop off pretty quickly as she goes for the more commercial sound, and then you get to the fucking s/t record, and it is just truly awful soulless music. That fall outstrips the worst falls in musical history for me. Even on the shittiest records by like Dylan or Elvis Costello or Van Morrison or whatever songwriter with rough patches you can think of (and there are some TERRIBLE records there), there's at least this sense that they're trying, or if not, then at least it's personal to them, or was where their interests were, or just SOMETHING. But those last two Phair records, I can't even bear to listen to. It just seems like she has 100% submerged everything true about her in this purely boring, cookie cutter bland pop shit, and I really can't do it.

Sorry for the rant there. I know I shouldn't get upset over these things, it's no big deal really. But fuck me, that's one crushing, hell total, fall off from artist that I really used to love, and I can't see any other reason for it than goddamn money.

Ah well, off to listen to the Girlysound tapes, and none of that will matter.
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Old 04.23.2010, 06:36 PM   #15
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Old 04.23.2010, 06:47 PM   #16
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...according to you.

At random... The Dead Kennedys reunion thing a few years back.

The videos taken from those gigs are just painful to watch...

Yeah, that was pretty bad. They went through all those fucking awful singers, trying to replace Biafra. Ugh...

I saw a video of a kid throwing jello at East Bay Ray at one of those shows. Ray flips out and goes after the kid. It was totally immature and kinda lame, but at the same time, I kinda thought it was hilarious cause Ray just got soooo pissed once he realized it was jello being thrown at him.
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Old 04.23.2010, 07:28 PM   #17
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pixies box set is insanley overpriced. And they wonder why people steal music
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Old 04.23.2010, 07:44 PM   #18
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pixies box set is insanley overpriced. And they wonder why people steal music

Isn't it the other way around? The Pixies boxset is over-priced because they won't shift as many copies as they would've 10 years ago. Sell fewer at a higher price makes a bigger return than pressing a load that'll sit on electronic shelves for 5 years.
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Any band that ever decided to try something different. Any band that ever tried to make money. Any band that ever signed to a major. Everyone is a sellout...didn't you get the memo?
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The term sell out is fucking retarded. You want to make music because you want to make money.

You either make good music or shitty music.

By saying "sell out" you treat music with an immature view, likes its this some important thing that will put food in starving kids mouths and if you do it differently or make more money, you're just being a piece of shit.
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