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Old 06.25.2009, 01:19 AM   #1
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just today I've read that in polish magazine in article for nin gig in poland.
have you heard about it?
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Old 06.25.2009, 01:36 AM   #2
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Old 06.25.2009, 05:31 AM   #3
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I don't see how T fits into this.
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Old 06.25.2009, 09:17 AM   #4
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this sounds like it could possibly be a bit of misinformation.

well....trent can get pretty noisy from time to time. i always wanted to hear his take on a straight up noise record. or maybe just something realllllly droney/ambient. some of the stuff on the ghost sessions left me wondering....the dude is much more talented than what most people are willing to give him credit for.

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Old 06.25.2009, 10:05 AM   #5
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this sounds like it could possibly be a bit of misinformation.

well....trent can get pretty noisy from time to time. i always wanted to hear his take on a straight up noise record. or maybe just something realllllly droney/ambient. some of the stuff on the ghost sessions left me wondering....the dude is much more talented than what most people are willing to give him credit for.

Agreed.

I still think The Fragile is a masterpiece.
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Old 06.25.2009, 11:19 AM   #6
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Old 06.25.2009, 11:45 AM   #7
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sweet fucking jesus, why do I even come here?

this was supposed to help me work through my rage, not exacerbate it.


NIN has always been a Skinny Puppy wannabe band for people who just can't fucking handle Skinny Puppy. if it wasn't for Adrian Sherwood, the world might have been spared this fuckery.

that said, I love the Peter Murphy/Trent Reznor/TVOTR radio shows.

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Old 06.25.2009, 12:08 PM   #8
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i dont know why people compare NIN to skinny puppy...there are similliar elements...but still, way different.

start with "Down In It" being "Dig It" and go on from there forward through time.
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Old 06.25.2009, 01:31 PM   #9
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I'm not talking "influence". I have no problem with that. if I did, you would hear me being a fascist about everything after The Velvet Underground.

I'm talking straight-up rip-off.


-the beat for Down In It was jacked straight from Dig It. it IS Dig It.

more?

-the video to "Hurt" includes Trent performing from behind a back-lit white screen, exactly as Skinny Puppy used to perform "Harsh Stone White".

-he inserted himself into Pigface and Revolting Cocks (despite not being "gasp" industrial himself) in an effort to develop "scene-cred". it didn't fucking work. his fan base of jocks and poseurs wouldn't dream of seeing either of those two bands

^^^as a funny side story to this, he's apparently had his RevCo tattoo lasered-off. at least, I've not seen it in pictures for almost 20 years. I saw Ohgr's a couple months ago.

let's see....more?

-he made Dave Ogilvie (long time Puppy producer and one-time member) the producer of his Marilyn Manson crap (which, with Ogilvie at the helm, wasn't all that bad....even if it also sounds like Skinny Puppy-lite).

-he has a side project named "Tapeworm" (a Nivek Ohgr song from Pigface's Gub album).

-he has a pet dog named "Skinny" that he face-fucks each night while humming along to Stairs and Flowers (ok...I made that one up, but it seems plausible).



so...yeah....bring on the Thurston Moore. why the fuck not?
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Old 06.25.2009, 01:40 PM   #10
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Eh, Trent admitted he stole Down In It years and years ago and not much that he's made since has really sounded like Puppy. Trent seems like a pretty cool guy, even if he's not one of my fave musicians in the world. Hating on him for something he did 20 years ago seems beside the point.

Besides, how do you figure he 'inserted' himself into RevCo and Pigface? Pretty sure if people didn't want him there, he wouldn't have been there.
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Old 06.25.2009, 01:41 PM   #11
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I'm not talking "influence". I have no problem with that. if I did, you would hear me being a fascist about everything after The Velvet Underground.

I'm talking straight-up rip-off.


-the beat for Down In It was jacked straight from Dig It. it IS Dig It.

more?

-the video to "Hurt" includes Trent performing from behind a back-lit white screen, exactly as Skinny Puppy used to perform "Harsh Stone White".

-he inserted himself into Pigface and Revolting Cocks (despite not being "gasp" industrial himself) in an effort to develop "scene-cred". it didn't fucking work. his fan base of jocks and poseurs wouldn't dream of seeing either of those two bands

^^^as a funny side story to this, he's apparently had his RevCo tattoo lasered-off. at least, I've not seen it in pictures for almost 20 years. I saw Ohgr's a couple months ago.

let's see....more?

-he made Dave Ogilvie (long time Puppy producer and one-time member) the producer of his Marilyn Manson crap (which, with Ogilvie at the helm, wasn't all that bad....even if it also sounds like Skinny Puppy-lite).

-he has a side project named "Tapeworm" (a Nivek Ohgr song from Pigface's Gub album).

-he has a pet dog named "Skinny" that he face-fucks each night while humming along to Stairs and Flowers (ok...I made that one up, but it seems plausible).



so...yeah....bring on the Thurston Moore. why the fuck not?

Yes, ^that just happened
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Old 06.25.2009, 01:41 PM   #12
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On-topic though, didn't T once say he hated NIN?
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Old 06.25.2009, 01:53 PM   #13
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sweet fucking jesus, why do I even come here?

this was supposed to help me work through my rage, not exacerbate it.


NIN has always been a Skinny Puppy wannabe band for people who just can't fucking handle Skinny Puppy. if it wasn't for Adrian Sherwood, the world might have been spared this fuckery.

that said, I love the Peter Murphy/Trent Reznor/TVOTR radio shows.

Verily.
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Old 06.25.2009, 01:59 PM   #14
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Hating on him for something he did 20 years ago seems beside the point.

you just stop right there, mister.

I'm having fun working up swa(y) with my hardcore prejudices.

don't you come in here trying to ruin it!

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Old 06.25.2009, 02:31 PM   #15
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Nine Inch Nails would be awesome if not for Trent Reznor's singing/lyrics.

He should just write music and have someone truly intelligent sing/write all the lyrics. Listen to the Natural Born Killers and Lost Highway soundtracks and you'll agree.

The Downward Spiral would be a masterpiece if not for stuff like:

"Nothing can stop me now/'Cuz I don't care anymore" - "Piggy"
"God is dead/And no one cares/If there is a hell/I'll see you there"- "Heresy"
"Take the skin and peel it back/Doesn't it make you feel better?"- "March of the Pigs"
"I want to fuck you like an animal/My whole existance is flawed/You get me closer to God" - I shouldn't have to tell anyone what song this is
"The ruiner's a collector/He's an infector/Serving shit to his flies" - "Ruiner"
"I want to be everywhere/I want to be to know everything/I want to fuck everyone in the world/I want to do something that matters" - "I Do Not Want This"
"I'm big man (yes I am)/And I've got a big gun/Got me a big 'ol dick/And I like to have fun" - "Big Man With A Gun"
"Oh my beautiful liar/Oh my precious whore/My disease, my infection/I am so impure" - "Reptile"
"I wear this crown of shit/Upon my liar's chair/Full of broken thoughts/I cannot repair" - I shouldn't have to tell anyone what song this is either

As for the whole NIN vs. Skinny Puppy thing, I used to be on floatingslowly's boat, but now I don't really care anymore. Sure, SP probably deserve more credit for introducing goth overtones to industrial music, but at the end of the day I like both bands, and I don't think Skinny Puppy themselves really care either.
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Old 06.25.2009, 02:38 PM   #16
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I used to be on floatingslowly's boat, but now I don't really care anymore.

it's not a boat so much as an unmanned submersible.
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Old 06.25.2009, 03:25 PM   #17
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Trent Reznor seems like he's got his head up his butt. I don't like when musicians diss each other. It seems petty. As for the music he makes, well, that's the subject of another post probably.
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even if NIN ripped off skinny puppy, NIN did it better. Skinny Puppy kinda sucked
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working me up?
well it doesn't really work after I admit to it.

my extensive list of truths and half-truths was causing too much collateral damage and I had to abort.

I'll catch you next time, secret squirrel.
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