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Old 05.06.2009, 11:17 AM   #1
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A friend of mine in work claimed today that Killing Joke are more influential than Sonic Youth. I think he is so wrong. What does any one else think?
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Old 05.06.2009, 11:29 AM   #2
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Their influence is probably even.
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Old 05.06.2009, 11:31 AM   #3
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I think that calculating influence is one of the more tiresome and pointless preoccupations of "music aficionados."

I'm unaware of Killing Joke's influence just as I am about Sonic Youth's.
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Old 05.06.2009, 11:36 AM   #4
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Oh, my second answer was, "who gives two shits?"

But I'm too nice of a person.
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Old 05.06.2009, 12:03 PM   #5
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I've never heard a single Killing Joke tune.
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Old 05.06.2009, 12:06 PM   #6
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Complete nonsense. While Killing Joke are important on some levels (and, incidentally, a band I really like) to compare them in terms of cultural or musical importance to SY is missing several points, massively.
Probably Killing Joke's main contribution to popular culture is the riff for Come As You Are
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Old 05.06.2009, 12:09 PM   #7
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I dunno how influential either band is, really, but I do know that Thurston Moore himself is a pretty influential figure to a lot of people, so there you go.
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Old 05.06.2009, 12:13 PM   #8
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I've gotten laid to a ton of Sonic Youth albums (most notably 'Sister' and 'Washing Machine.') Until I get so much as a blowjay while Killing Joke is playing, I can't even begin to consider this question.
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Old 05.06.2009, 12:56 PM   #9
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killing joke is not even close.

sonic youth have affected 100 times more musicians and bands
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Old 05.06.2009, 01:08 PM   #10
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Killing Joke is really not one of Moore's better works, and certainly not one of his more influential. From Hell, Swamp Thing, Promethea, Watchmen...

Wait, what?
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Old 05.06.2009, 01:52 PM   #12
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I would never have put these 2 bands aside each other, but its an interesting exercise. I really dig the first 5 K-Joke lps. They really created a new and powerful sound. I'd assert K-Joke were a better singles band than SY. Revelations remains one of my all time favorite albums. And Thurston never quit his music career and went to Iceland with his fans because he thought the world was going to end. When Jazz did that T was still selling popsicles on the street. really.
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Old 05.06.2009, 05:04 PM   #13
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I think if you were to add up the total record sales of bands influenced by each, you'd probably find that Killing Joke were the more influential. The whole industrial metal scene has one hell of a lot to thank them for. Not that that's necessarily a good thing, of course.
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Killing Joke are one of the worst bands I've ever heard. They should have called themselves The Joke.
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Old 05.06.2009, 06:09 PM   #15
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I think if you were to add up the total record sales of bands influenced by each, you'd probably find that Killing Joke were the more influential. The whole industrial metal scene has one hell of a lot to thank them for. Not that that's necessarily a good thing, of course.

Haha, let's not forget that Killing Joke influenced Metallica!
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Old 05.06.2009, 06:50 PM   #16
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I can think of more bands off the top of my head that SY obviously influenced than I can the Joke, who were an early influence in that industrial metal thing for sure but you can't really say someone like Static X probably has any kind of clue who they were...
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I love early Killing Joke, but I fear that the main influence they may have had on a lot of bands is to say that if a good post-punk band were to compromise their principles and let the producers and label call the shot, they could be marketed as "alternative" and make a stab at the mainstream. Thankfully that proposition didn't influence Sonic Youth, who never made the equivalent of a "Brighter Than 1,000 Suns" or "Outside the Gate".
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Old 05.07.2009, 02:33 AM   #19
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i think SY will still be going down in the history books long after klling joke is forgotten. thats what i think.

but then again, nirvana did more or less rip off killing joke's 1990's (believe that was the name of the song, and if the "rip off" was not intentional, it still is a rather odd coincidence)). im sure this is something that will be remembered for ages.

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heard one killing joke song!

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