Is anyone interested in demolishing this naffest of musical terms?

porkmarras · 07.31.2006, 02:31 PM

Also known as:IDM?

Пятхъдесят Шест · 07.31.2006, 02:32 PM

How do you suggest we demolish it?

HaydenAsche · 07.31.2006, 02:32 PM

Yes. I'm in favour. What is the date for demolition?

porkmarras · 07.31.2006, 02:34 PM

When dance music hasn't been intelligent i really don't know.All i know is that this most odious of terms has been probably invented by people who are scared of their own microwaves.Go on,pick those shovels and let's give this guitar-adoring term a good run for it's money.

Savage Clone · 07.31.2006, 03:24 PM

"IDM" is bad, but not as bad as "Post Rock."

alyasa · 07.31.2006, 03:24 PM

It's just basically electronic music that's not wholly dance-oriented. Like Prodigy or Scooter are wholly dance-oriented, that is made for discos and people with really loud, high-end stereo systems and live in secluded mansions where there are no neighbours and an olympic-sized swimming pool to chill out in after a long night of ecstasy and ice-fuelled dancing and lovemaking. It's like alternative rock. It's rock, but not for shitting in a trailer whilst drinking beer rock. Or is it?

Cantankerous · 07.31.2006, 03:25 PM

it's fuckin horrible tripe.

alyasa · 07.31.2006, 03:26 PM

Yeah, labels are for cans. This particular one seems more derivative than most.

Iain · 07.31.2006, 04:52 PM

IDM is way worse than Post Rock I think. It's such an embarrasingly awful sub-genre label that people always have to abbreviate it for fear of retching if they actually have to type/write Intelligent Dance Music...bllleeegghhhhh.

Savage Clone · 07.31.2006, 04:54 PM

OK then, how about "EBM?"
Electronic Body Music?

Commence retching.

Glice · 07.31.2006, 05:28 PM

I remember this interview with John Peel where he said he liked the idea of intelligent drum n' bass, because it presupposed the existence of stupid drum n' bass...

Music to dance to. It's intelligent already. Just not cerebral.

SC - the thing with EBM is that if you go to a proper EBM night it should be loud enough to live up to its name. Slimelight in Islington, for instance.

In synopsis - IDM is dance music for people who don't dance (who should therefore be sectioned). EBM is for industrialists who go to raves, which I heartily approve of. Post-rock is for eunochs.

Savage Clone · 07.31.2006, 05:32 PM

Actually the thing with EBM is that it's a pretty stagnant genre that has sounded exactly the same since roughly 1988 and has all but ruined modern goth music forever, or so it would seem.

Glice · 07.31.2006, 05:36 PM

Oh right. Yeah, that is very true. I generally get more annoyed by how industrial means goth-house to most industrialists, and I can't get into a decent conversation with them about Einsturzende Neubauten or Throbbing Gristle.

Savage Clone · 07.31.2006, 05:37 PM

I refer to it as "Death Disco In Plastic Pants And Goggles."

Full concurrence.

alyasa · 07.31.2006, 11:04 PM

EBM, like most modern electronic music has to be experienced, rather than heard. It's 'body' moniker bears testament to that. With regards to IDM, I'm thinkng that is the distinction that the critics and hoi polloi have placed on certain electronic music that can actually be listened to; at home, for instance. I still don't fully understand why the intelligent part though. Are they implying that all such music has deeper connotations and layers? Are they implying it's a pretentious intellectual fuck?

GeneticKiss · 07.31.2006, 11:33 PM

No name for a musical style/movement will ever be worse than "grunge".

I personally can't say EBM out loud becuz I hear "BM" and immediately think of shit.

acousticrock87 · 08.01.2006, 12:59 AM

IDM and EBM always sound like telephone companies to me.

"Wanna listen to some EBM?"
No I use Verizon.
"...What?"

Style · 08.01.2006, 01:16 AM

IDM is a fun genre to listen to, but I agree that the label does suck. IDM was the name of a mailing list for aphex twin. Then some people came along and decided to make it a genre and made it stand for intelligent dance music. Aphex actually dislikes the term, even though he's seen as one of the original idm artists.

cosmokramer · 08.01.2006, 04:10 AM

i give my stamp of approval for destruction.

_slavo_ · 08.01.2006, 04:29 AM

As the term itself, IDM sucks major ass and I approve too.
But as a subgenre within electronic music concerning music not labels, in my personal opinion a thing called nu-jazz is just the worst fucking horrible thing ever invented. Come on, jazzy noodling with two or three beats, plus cheesy vocal samples and very user-friendly chill out atmosphere....hell, it's really bad.

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HaydenAsche invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 10,755	Yes. I'm in favour. What is the date for demolition? __________________ rip
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porkmarras invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London - UK Posts: 14,313	When dance music hasn't been intelligent i really don't know.All i know is that this most odious of terms has been probably invented by people who are scared of their own microwaves.Go on,pick those shovels and let's give this guitar-adoring term a good run for it's money. __________________
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Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,286	"IDM" is bad, but not as bad as "Post Rock."
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alyasa invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,791	It's just basically electronic music that's not wholly dance-oriented. Like Prodigy or Scooter are wholly dance-oriented, that is made for discos and people with really loud, high-end stereo systems and live in secluded mansions where there are no neighbours and an olympic-sized swimming pool to chill out in after a long night of ecstasy and ice-fuelled dancing and lovemaking. It's like alternative rock. It's rock, but not for shitting in a trailer whilst drinking beer rock. Or is it? __________________ Sab Kuch Tick Tock Hai
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Cantankerous invito al cielo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A RETIREMENT HOME Posts: 18,499	it's fuckin horrible tripe. __________________ RETIRED
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alyasa invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,791	Yeah, labels are for cans. This particular one seems more derivative than most. __________________ Sab Kuch Tick Tock Hai
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Iain invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,544	IDM is way worse than Post Rock I think. It's such an embarrasingly awful sub-genre label that people always have to abbreviate it for fear of retching if they actually have to type/write Intelligent Dance Music...bllleeegghhhhh.
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Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,286	OK then, how about "EBM?" Electronic Body Music? Commence retching.
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Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,286	Actually the thing with EBM is that it's a pretty stagnant genre that has sounded exactly the same since roughly 1988 and has all but ruined modern goth music forever, or so it would seem.
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Savage Clone invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,286	I refer to it as "Death Disco In Plastic Pants And Goggles." Full concurrence.
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07.31.2006, 11:04 PM	#15
alyasa invito al cielo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,791	EBM, like most modern electronic music has to be experienced, rather than heard. It's 'body' moniker bears testament to that. With regards to IDM, I'm thinkng that is the distinction that the critics and hoi polloi have placed on certain electronic music that can actually be listened to; at home, for instance. I still don't fully understand why the intelligent part though. Are they implying that all such music has deeper connotations and layers? Are they implying it's a pretentious intellectual fuck? __________________ Sab Kuch Tick Tock Hai
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GeneticKiss expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,666	No name for a musical style/movement will ever be worse than "grunge". I personally can't say EBM out loud becuz I hear "BM" and immediately think of shit.
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acousticrock87 invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,515	IDM and EBM always sound like telephone companies to me. "Wanna listen to some EBM?" No I use Verizon. "...What?"
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Style stalker Join Date: May 2006 Location: Califronia Posts: 418	IDM is a fun genre to listen to, but I agree that the label does suck. IDM was the name of a mailing list for aphex twin. Then some people came along and decided to make it a genre and made it stand for intelligent dance music. Aphex actually dislikes the term, even though he's seen as one of the original idm artists.
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cosmokramer bad moon rising Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 138	i give my stamp of approval for destruction. __________________
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_slavo_ invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ðîññèÿ Posts: 10,886	As the term itself, IDM sucks major ass and I approve too. But as a subgenre within electronic music concerning music not labels, in my personal opinion a thing called nu-jazz is just the worst fucking horrible thing ever invented. Come on, jazzy noodling with two or three beats, plus cheesy vocal samples and very user-friendly chill out atmosphere....hell, it's really bad. __________________ you're the boy that can enjoy invisibility
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