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Robert Schunk 08.22.2015 11:45 AM

No Matter How You Feel About The Wars, SUPPORT THE TROOPS!!!!
 
This is yet another lesson we Americans learned during the Vietnam War.

The fighting men and women don't make the policies. So don't blame them for the wars.

The lying, sniveling, greedy civilian politicians make the policies, so blame THEM for the wars. (Disclaimer: my ancestry is largely Prussian, therefor my opinion may be accordingly biased.)

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Anyways, here's a great song (Status Quo: You're in the Army Now):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObntvRcKMrE

:cool:

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 08.22.2015 12:31 PM

Drafted troops have my sympathy. Volunteers? Well in Rastafari there is a parable, "if a fish woulda keep him big yap shut him never woulda got caught in the first place!"

Toilet & Bowels 08.22.2015 01:47 PM

Yeah, you have to be mind bogglingly naive (or ignorant) to join the armed forces these days. Either that or your personality type is a mix of law abiding lackey + xenophobic murderous desire.
I mean these are people who sign up to a job that requires you to kill people because your boss tells you to.

demonrail666 08.22.2015 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
Yeah, you have to be mind bogglingly naive (or ignorant) to join the armed forces these days. Either that or your personality type is a mix of law abiding lackey + xenophobic murderous desire.


Lots of people who join the armed forces are from very poor areas, with minimal job prospects. Plenty of them are joining not because they believe in it but because it offers them some kind of future. A lot of my family are in the forces and I can say that none of them are how you describe them. A few decades ago they'd have been labourers or working in factories but those options aren't available to them anymore, and they're not stupid enough to believe that further education will provide them with any solution. Maybe choosing the dole is a better option but that's ultimately the only choice they have.

ilduclo 08.22.2015 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
Yeah, you have to be mind bogglingly naive (or ignorant) to join the armed forces these days. Either that or your personality type is a mix of law abiding lackey + xenophobic murderous desire.
I mean these are people who sign up to a job that requires you to kill people because your boss tells you to.


yeah, and start reading about the atrocities, either accidental or "accidental on purpose". A soldier is pretty much a liability, at least we have some of them fighting wildfires now

Toilet & Bowels 08.22.2015 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
Lots of people who join the armed forces are from very poor areas, with minimal job prospects. Plenty of them are joining not because they believe in it but because it offers them some kind of future. A lot of my family are in the forces and I can say that none of them are how you describe them. A few decades ago they'd have been labourers or working in factories but those options aren't available to them anymore, and they're not stupid enough to believe that further education will provide them with any solution. Maybe choosing the dole is a better option but that's ultimately the only choice they have.


Ok well.... fuck! It's a sad state of affairs that that's all that is available to them. Sorry.

!@#$%! 08.22.2015 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
Lots of people who join the armed forces are from very poor areas, with minimal job prospects. Plenty of them are joining not because they believe in it but because it offers them some kind of future. A lot of my family are in the forces and I can say that none of them are how you describe them. A few decades ago they'd have been labourers or working in factories but those options aren't available to them anymore, and they're not stupid enough to believe that further education will provide them with any solution. Maybe choosing the dole is a better option but that's ultimately the only choice they have.

here in 'merica the armed forces recruit mainly among the poors, with promises of college, and job training, and be all you can be (ersatz nietzsche). when i taught college i'd get the occasional ROTC guy, with his camo pants and dead eyes.

some well-meaning fools also enrolled after the crashed airplane attacks of 2001. poor bastards!

the handyman of a place where i used to live had to pay something like $10,000 to get his son out of afghanistan-- i didn't want to ask what the money was for-- bribes, or medical tests, or back tuition, or what. he was just broken up about his fucked-up son and willing to do just about anything to get him home.

but yes, all of this bullshit is sold to the masses in the name of "patriotism"-- lies & more lies to justify the business agendas of those who consistently privatize profit and socialize loss. "supporting the troops" is precisely how those losses get socialized.

demonrail666 08.22.2015 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
"supporting the troops" is precisely how those losses get socialized.


100% agree. I support my relatives as people and hate the conditions that've made joining the military a last throw of the dice option, but loathe the 'support the troops' bullshit just as much.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 08.22.2015 05:09 PM

Yes recruiting is a terrible, manipulative parasite. I tell as many kids as i can they are probably more interested in FAFSA

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 08.22.2015 05:11 PM

And i agree with demonrail.. jingoism is bullshit and its all part of the manipulation. I say support our veterans is more appropriate and necessary.

confusion is next 08.23.2015 06:25 AM

it's better support peace.

Rob Instigator 08.24.2015 04:40 PM

Support the veterans. The US government and military spend BILLIONS to support the troops. They then kick them to the motherfucking curb when they are useless, regardless of past honor or bravery.

So I say, support the VETERANS. The government sure as fuck does not.

!@#$%! 08.24.2015 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Support the veterans. The US government and military spend BILLIONS to support the troops. They then kick them to the motherfucking curb when they are useless, regardless of past honor or bravery.

So I say, support the VETERANS. The government sure as fuck does not.

well... support some veterans-- not all of them.

e.g., veteran john mccain has been wanting to bomb bomb bomb iran for decades now. i mean, good for him for withstanding torture, but come on.

like him, too many politicians and other powerhungry types leverage their veteran status for all sorts of dubious purposes. "i have a purple heart therefore do as i say." hm, no. a fascist veteran is still a fascist.

i've interviewed veterans for documentaries and i've seen everything from "my country turned me into a murderer" to "this flag can do no wrong".

militarism is a really shitty ideology. so pick and choose carefully what you support.

e.g., i think these are some veterans worth supporting:

http://www.veteransforpeace.org

Rob Instigator 08.25.2015 08:41 AM

John McCain is married to a super wealthy women, he does not need anyone's support.


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