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I can't believe none of us has started a thread on this subject!

What I've been thinking lately: So I've had some success selling old clothes that I don't like anymore. It has occured to me, though, given all the "need" out there, all the poverty, that the far nobler thing is to simply give it all away.

Am I "good" for dumping clothes at Goodwill or Salvation Army? Or am I stupid for not trying to get something back for them?

I'm not talking about old trashed out clothes. I'm talking about decent things that are only a year or so old.

I don't think karma exists to the person who does things thikning they will be repaid by karma.

I don't know if I believe in karma per say but I do think that when you do good in the world, it will often come back to you. but you shouldn't perform acts of charity for that reason...it's never good to have an ego about that type of thing...

the whole pay it forward thing, ya dig?

Karma exists independent of one's intentions. It just is. It is the consequences of what one does (or doesn't do).

So I'm after, am I creating good karma or bad, or neither. Is it nobler to blah blah blah.

Basically, is it better to recoup the money I spent on impulse clothing purchases? Or is it better to just cut my losses and give it away?

But I'd like to open my thread to all considerations of karma and the choices we make in our daily lives.

This is what Zizek thinks on the matter:

"5) False Urgency

Today Bill Gates in interviews will say that it doesn't matter how many computers he can sell if world hunger remains such a huge problem. Immediate refuge in actions, thought condemned as not doing anything. But immediate action (i.e. sending used T shirts to third world countries undermines attempts at starting their own factories) to "help" with world poverty often does nothing to help the problem. Thus, withdrawal, to "Learn, Learn, and Learn"- Lenin, is perhaps not such a bad option. There is a need to oppose the immediate demand to action because it does not allow time for the thought which would keep such action from merely reinforcing the structure which allows for the maintenance of so much objective violence. Charity as the last moment of capitalist accomadation is taking on a purely economic function (maintain status quo). "Only through patient theoretical work, something will emerge. Knowledge we need more than ever."

I suppose you're "good" for doing it, but you're not "bad" for not doing it. I don't think there is anything wrong with trying to get money for things you have (especially if you need it) and thrift stores - at least the ones around here - aren't exactly empty. Also a lot of people who shop there aren't people who "need" to shop there - they do it because it's trendy or because they're stingy.

On the issue of karma, I don't believe in it (reincarnation seems very silly to me) but I don't think it's a bad thing to believe in. People doing good things just for the sake of doing good things is beautiful.

Karma, as I understand, is simply consequences, e.g., if I don't put gas in the car, I'll run out of gas and won't go anywhere. Action and result.

A lot of people have that misconception. In Hinduism/Buddhism, it's not as simple as that. From what I understand, the result of good karma isn't just the (nearly) instantaneous happenings - the result is to return as a greater being in your next life. There are different interpretations for different religions, though.
I'm bad at explaining things.

"This samsaric karma comes in two 'flavours' - 'good' karma, which leads to positive/pleasurable experiences, like high rebirth (as a deva, asura, or human), and bad karma which leads to suffering and low rebirth (as a hell-sufferer, as a preta, or as an animal). There is also a completely different type of karma that is neither good nor bad, but liberating. This karma allows for the individual to break the uncontrolled cycle of rebirth which always implies suffering, and thereby leave samsara to permanently enter Nirvana."

From this website.

yeah but if you donate, you get a receipt for when you do your yearly taxes. it's probably better in the end to just get the receipt.

Well, yes and no. I was lay-ordained in Zen Budhism which holds a much more pragmatic outlook on karma--it looks at how what you do now affects your life now and in the rest of your earthly existence as well as how it affects the rest of the "real" world and other people. I know the afterlife is a deeper concern in other forms of Budhism and in Hinuism but not in Zen.

Also my friend just showed me this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVUTT444K7c

I think it's actually serious... I don't even know what to say.

Ah, I see. Well, if you actually follow/believe in Zen Buddhism, then it's probably a better idea to donate the clothes.

That seems obvious, but Zen ethics are also situational. Maybe in my situation, it's better karma to get money for myself if I need it? I'm wrestling with this.

energy is never lost or gained, but is only transformed.

ps: listen to girlgun. do BOTH. donate>> save the receipt.

Exactly!

please see my edit.

I believe that there's also a limit to the amount that you can claim for donation. knowing how you like expensive clothes, you might just donate up to yr limit and ebay the rest.

it's all karmic neutral, really.

Well if you actually need the money then you should sell the clothes...

My clothes aren't THAT expensive.

And yes, girlgun is wise and true. I am a devout follower of roshi girlgun.

even though they may not be "that" expensive, you might check out ebay first. make "donate" and "sell" piles.

besides, ebay is out of san francisco. that means the hippies own it.

You should give them. Unless you do other kinds of charity, it's the least you can do. I remember when my family was poor and I had to shop at goodwill, the clothes were pretty shitty, so giving nice clothes would be great. Even better would be to sell the clothes and use that money in a charitable way. Donate presents to some kids who need it, or help feed people in Africa, or any of the billions of other things you could do. Any little bit helps.

Yeah, that's their version of Karma and their beliefs. Anyone can choose to believe what he or she wants to. The guy didn't say he was a Buddhist as far as I've seen so your point is pretty moot.

As far as I know, that's his definition of Karma, so it's just another word for that. What you're trying to say is that there's no higher power behind it or something, but if good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people (i don't believe this, by the way) and we choose to call that Karma, then Karma exists. It's just a a word for an idea.

I don't really believe in karma all that much. What I do believe in is doing good for people around you, unless they are undeserving.

It just doesn't seem like it's the way it works. Why is Rupert Murdoch so rich? He will never lose that money, no matter how evil he is. In fact, it seems like evil and callous people are more likely to get money early on and money perpetuates money. And I don't really think money is the most important thing, but that's just one example. Human nature is to disregard people who are quiet and kind in place of people who are obnoxious and flashy, good people seem to die young... I'm sort of rambling here. I'll think about it and give a better post tomorrow when I'm not so tired.

Karma can be a misterious thing

i haven't ready ANY of this thread past the point where i quoted, but i'd MUCH RATHER have shawarma.



fucking a right!!!

What the fuck is that?

much better than karma

this is what happens when you donate to the thrift store...indie kids bitching about the high prices of retro-gear.

if you really want yr heart to feel good, drop that shit off at a homeless shelter.

save yourself the labor and throw it in the fucking trash. and pat yourself in the back for your good actions-- think of all the jobs that will be created to make new clothes instead of the shit you threw away. save the fucking economy. the homeless only produce feces anyway.

i personally turn my old clothes into cleaning rags. you never know when you need to deal with vomit on the floor or spunk on the furniture.

Really?! I just picked up a perfect-condition London Fog trench coat for 5 bucks at Goodwill.