the only womens movement i support is the one to stop reproducing and end the perpetuation of humanity. what's that one called again? oh yeah - death.

lol. to be fair celibacy lesbianism and at the worst using protection can do the same job.

i got your back sistas.

One of the reasons they irritate me is their lack of understanding of creative inequality. They seem to think that being artistic should be for everyone, and it's not, nevermind gender.

Remember when Courtney Love was initially friendly with riot grrl? Before she punched Kathleen Hanna out for saying her baby was shooting up crack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOzDaVz_PXk

This statement feels strange to me, but I agree. Their motto is something like "if your best friend gets it, that's all that matters." Well, okay, but didn't they want to reach the entirety of womynkind? Seems contradictory.

can we start a riot grrl band called "3 bitter queers"?

Creative excellence exists in all humankind. That will never mean all human beings should be artistic regardless of how much some of us try.

Let's do it.

This guiltless white middle-class English woman from the countryside didn't like riot grrrl and is therefore an over privileged sex-traitor and not sufficiently riotous or revolutionary:

i only want to hear the "art" of someone who is against humanity and creativity.

If we call it riot grrr we'd have all the bears supporting us, and they're all retarded because they call themselves bears. too many of them being adults and all that.

revolution bear style now.

NO, please, do not recruit The Bears. Don't they already have queercore?

Good example of someone who knows better. That girl from Circuit des Yeux ir another one. There are many others.

bitterest thread EVA

Do any of you think that any of the music is any good? Having - accurately and forcefully - discounted the riot grrl politics as being a bucketful of shite spewed out by indulgent, comfy, white, middle-class teenagers, and, again, the profligacy of 3 chords wonders, do you think that any of the music at all was worth the time of day? For example, I've always quite liked Bikini Kill, not for the politics or the ingenuity but becuase they wrote some fun bouncy songs.

Also, Revolution Bear Style Now is going to take the world by storm!

i still listen to Huggy Bear and Bikini Kill on a regular basis

^ Huggy Bear Is The Shit!

I like some Bikini Kill songs, some Huggy Bear songs, Slant 6. Is Autoclave considered riot grrrl? There was some worthwhile music in there. Huggy Bear had humor. And some of them went on to be quite good songwriters in Comet Gain. I think it's time for a Huggy Bear reissue.

<3 ALL OF U

wuts "muosic"?

The thing that them people with smart haircuts and cool clothes make with that weird wood/steel string implement in their hands. Don't quite understand it myself.

bois godu jewpittur git mowar stewpidar
grils gotu mras bcum rokstirs

I think most of the comments on this thread emphaisze why riot grrl was important, why young women may need a space of their own. what would be described as a "safe" space so they can speak without being mocked and degraded and harassed. I believe the people most widely associated with riot grrl are really the least important, what really counted were all the individual zines and connections that were made, not who ended up as a celebrity or has the most read blog or got hired by some corporation. Maybe because I was a 30 year old man at the time, but riot grrl went right past me, suddenly I was reading about 100's of zines and young women doing their own thing. Intellectually, it probably was light weight, but culturally, absolutely essential - the political counterpoint to the bland, corporate alt-rock.
I saw Bikini Kill play and they were a fucking killer punk band.

that's all fair enough. except it was hardly ME and decayed rhapsody that were standing in the way of females ability to play music in bars.

genteel maybe. but that's just because he wants to be the girl with the most cake.

wasn't it sexist macho heteros they were angry about. i know i don't really care. but it was hardly people like us.

hahahahahaha

you think so? how old were you in '93?

i was 5

LOL

Lulz

Writers need something to write about and historians need something to historicize about ("Historicize" is not really a word). I think that's why some of these things get blown up to be more significant than they really were.