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Old 11.21.2014, 03:27 AM   #18381
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Wow yeah, Menace II Society, nostalgia for another time. Remember my chavy wigga sister watching that and Friday, seemingly on rotation. She even got the soundtrack album (and she never bought albums) just for that MC Eiht song at the end. Played it constantly. Good times. I have such good memories of that movie I don't wanna see again, in case I start finding things I don't like about it.


what a classic song that is
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Old 11.21.2014, 05:02 AM   #18382
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hell yes. carnitas + steak then.

and here something cool, just posted up 2 days ago i found reposted on sploid:

http://vimeo.com/112129153

Absolutely brilliant, and in its way Kubrick-esque - in the sense of Kubrick that I like.

Been thinking about Gasper Noe's apparent obsession with him. He seems to draw out his good side too.
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Old 11.21.2014, 07:23 AM   #18383
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oh, and mike nichols died

He always made intelligent films for adults that were actually about something. Looking at his filmography, I'm shocked to see he never made a shitty movie. Quite an accomplishment.

After the Kubrick discussion it's worth noting there's nothing especially technically stunning in a Nichols film. I mean, he didn't have a unique style, and I can't think of too many striking images from his films on par with, say, blood pouring from an elevator. But apparently there are more important aspects of good direction because, like I said, none of his films sucked.
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Old 11.21.2014, 09:41 AM   #18384
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He always made intelligent films for adults that were actually about something. Looking at his filmography, I'm shocked to see he never made a shitty movie. Quite an accomplishment.

After the Kubrick discussion it's worth noting there's nothing especially technically stunning in a Nichols film. I mean, he didn't have a unique style, and I can't think of too many striking images from his films on par with, say, blood pouring from an elevator. But apparently there are more important aspects of good direction because, like I said, none of his films sucked.

i think you like filmed theatre more than film, which is fine if that's what you like; and nichols was a fine actor and theatre director, but honestly i looked up his filmography and while there are gems (the graduate, who's afraid of virginia woolf) he also made some shit. (i haven't seen catch 22 so i can't talk about that which could be a gem i don't know).

looking at his filmography, i once tried watching "postcards from the edge" and couldn't get past the first insufferable 10 minutes; "closer' was a disappointment (natalie portman as a stripper and what was it about?), "charlie wilson's war" was okay but mostly because it was a sorkin screenplay, "the birdcage" was a direct copy of a much better (funnier, earlier, braver) french film, "working girl" was fun but very forgettable. i guess i could say the same about a lot of other movies he made. i remember people talking about "wolf" when it came out but i don't hear anyone talking about it today. i just also realized i've seen "primary colors" which was like a funny tv show.

not trying to shit on a man who's not even yet buried, but come on, don't use him to throw shade on kubrick.
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Old 11.21.2014, 10:06 AM   #18385
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i think you like filmed theatre more than film, which is fine if that's what you like; and nichols was a fine actor and theatre director, but honestly i looked up his filmography and while there are gems (the graduate, who's afraid of virginia woolf) he also made some shit. (i haven't seen catch 22 so i can't talk about that which could be a gem i don't know).

looking at his filmography, i once tried watching "postcards from the edge" and couldn't get past the first insufferable 10 minutes; "closer' was a disappointment (natalie portman as a stripper and what was it about?), "charlie wilson's war" was okay but mostly because it was a sorkin screenplay, "the birdcage" was a direct copy of a much better (funnier, earlier, braver) french film, "working girl" was fun but very forgettable. i guess i could say the same about a lot of other movies he made. i remember people talking about "wolf" when it came out but i don't hear anyone talking about it today. i just also realized i've seen "primary colors" which was like a funny tv show.

not trying to shit on a man who's not even yet buried, but come on, don't use him to throw shade on kubrick.

yeah, plus Charlie Wilson was just a really awful story. And, he was married to Diane Sawyer, how the hell does one do that
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Old 11.21.2014, 11:49 AM   #18388
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I thought Charlie Wilson was a better movie than Argo.

Mike Nichols made a lot of films that bored me shitless.
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I wasn't really talking about the quality of the movie Charlie Wilson, more actually about how repulsive the story was
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Old 11.21.2014, 12:57 PM   #18392
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I hate the whole filmed theatre argument. Nichols was great at directing actors for the movies, which isn't the same as directing them for the stage. He had the intelligence to know how to use the medium to tell the story he wanted to tell, the way he felt it needed to be told, and had enough confidence in his vision and ability not to let the medium become an unnecessary distraction.
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I hate the whole filmed theatre argument. Nichols was great at directing actors for the movies, which isn't the same as directing them for the stage. He had the intelligence to know how to use the medium to tell the story he wanted to tell, the way he felt it needed to be told, and had enough confidence in his vision and ability not to let the medium become an unnecessary distraction.

when i mentioned his death i was hoping we'd talk about the merits of mike nichols instead of engaging in a "nichols vs. kubrick" cock contest. of course i took the bait-- i always do. which caused me to be unfair to make a point.

"the graduate" was one of the best things i had ever seen when i saw it. in retrospect it seems a monument to boomer illusions, but i still think of it as a landmark film.
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My poor writing started a Kubrick vs Nichols debate. It just struck me that there are different ways of being a "good director." That's all. I'm not sure one type is better than another, although I respect anyone's preference.
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There are craftsmen directors, who can take any story and make it work on screen, and then there are visionary directors, who are obsessed with bringing specific stories to the screen. Nichols was a craftsman in my eyes.
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Old 11.21.2014, 02:41 PM   #18396
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There are craftsmen directors, who can take any story and make it work on screen, and then there are visionary directors, who are obsessed with bringing specific stories to the screen. Nichols was a craftsman in my eyes.

This.

Kubrick and Nichols are totally different directors. In every single way at that. Comparing the two is just plain silly.

It's funny but I watched The Graduate a two weeks back with my film club thing, and every time I've watched it I've loved it more and more. It's pretty much a perfect film for me.
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It just struck me that there are different ways of being a "good director."

yes. the thing with film is that it's a massive kind of work of art with many sides that requires a lot of collaboration between a lot of people. therefore a director can be many things--work on some things and outsource others.

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I hate the whole filmed theatre argument. Nichols was great at directing actors for the movies, which isn't the same as directing them for the stage.

but he was an actor and theatre person first and foremost, that's the thing. in fact he won a bunch of tony awards. his first film effort (who's afraid of virginia woolf) was literally a filmed play. i think that was his strength-- working with actors-- and comedy.

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There are craftsmen directors, who can take any story and make it work on screen, and then there are visionary directors, who are obsessed with bringing specific stories to the screen. Nichols was a craftsman in my eyes.

yes. maybe he was a bit of a duck in the sense of that fable of the duck who can swim, fly and walk but can't swim as well as the penguin, fly as well as the eagle or walk/run as well as the ostrich (i forget exactly how it went). or maybe he was a specialist w/ the actors.

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This.

Kubrick and Nichols are totally different directors. In every single way at that. Comparing the two is just plain silly.

totally. kubrick came into film through photography, nichols from the theatre & radio/tv. thank fuck we have both. then there's terrence malick the philosopher, julian schnabel the painter, leni reifenstahl the nazi, & so on & so forth.

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It's funny but I watched The Graduate a two weeks back with my film club thing, and every time I've watched it I've loved it more and more. It's pretty much a perfect film for me.

i've seen it a bunch of times and i'd totally sit down and watch it right now.

btw, have you seen "catch 22"? i saw bits and pieces in a tv many years ago and i always meant to get back to it but haven't. anyone?
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Nah man, I've not seen it. The only reason I haven't is because I still haven't read the book. I've heard nothing but good things about it if that's any use to you.
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btw, have you seen "catch 22"? i saw bits and pieces in a tv many years ago and i always meant to get back to it but haven't. anyone?

I've watched it maybe 5 or 6 times, but not in a few years. Obviously, I must have liked it a lot. It's his most experimental and if he ever was a "visionary," it was in this one.

Actually, I was thinking about getting it this weekend to see if it holds up to my memory of it. Criterion. Nice commentary with Nichols and Steven Soderbergh if I remember right.
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I saw Catch-22 not too long ago. I remember really liking it. I loved the novel.
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