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Old 08.11.2014, 02:15 AM   #18201
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ah not that great really, not a patch on his early 'giallos' some great cinematography shots but it wasn't really my kind of thing. what did you think? nice to see you back on here! have you been movie making recently?

Oddly enough, the only thing I remember about Giallo is it leaving absolutely no impression on me. I did watch it mid-Argento Netflix DVD binge, but it's the only film I couldn't tell you a single thing about (Adrien Brody's starring role aside). Seriously. Giallo may be his blandest work, there really is no character to it whatsoever, which is highly unusual for even modern Argento. I'd recommend Jenifer, Sleepless, The Card Player, and even Dracula 3D way before Giallo. It is unfortunate, given the film's cognizant title.

And thanks! It feels good to post on here again. I've recently fallen back in love with SY. Sorta fell off after the hiatus announcement. I haven't been doing any filmmaking lately. Too busy with college stuff. Interested in business marketing atm. My buddy wants me to make him a music video, and one of my actor friends has asked me to write/direct something for him. But I'd rather just get a degree, lol. I'm a realist now...
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Old 08.11.2014, 03:41 AM   #18202
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Oddly enough, the only thing I remember about Giallo is it leaving absolutely no impression on me.

Yeah, it's not a disastrous movie or anything, just really really bland. Nothing stands out at all. But to be honest I could say that about a lot of even his more popular films. I like Bird, and Deep Red and Suspiria and Tenebrae but I'm really struggling to remember a single moment from Demons or Opera (besides the bit with the needles - which I only know is from Opera cos the poster's probably more memorable than the actual movie.) Even during his supposed peak I think he was very hit and miss, and probably more miss than hit. I certainly think that of all the big horror directors from the 70s-early 80s, his reputation has been the most over-inflated. Although I can't deny the greatness of Suspiria - even though I sometimes try.

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Old 08.11.2014, 04:15 AM   #18203
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I've watched Taxi Driver first thing in the morning and this time I liked it. I knew I wasn't going to fall asleep and I feel like watching it again.

I don't think it's a film that hits you immediately. It certainly took a few watches before it really sank in for me. It is very slow paced and much of its iconic status really only refers to the final quarter of the movie. I love it more and more but it almost had to stop being 'Taxi Driver' before I could really appreciate it. Take away the post-Mohican stuff and it's arguably one of his gentlest films.
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Old 08.11.2014, 04:44 AM   #18204
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I certainly think that of all the big horror directors from the 70s-early 80s, his reputation has been the most over-inflated..


I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you on that one. If anything, I believe Argento deserves even more credit. He's easily in my top 5 of all-time (if not my top 3). And I'm not just talking about the horror genre.

I even loved his much hated take on Phantom of the Opera - remember that part in the sky? Shit was like the beginning Lynch's Dune - with rats! Or what about Stendhal Syndrome? Also Cat O' Nine Tails and Inferno. Just classic, after classic. His style is so wild and all over the place. Do you not remember that 'crow shot' from Opera? Dude slaughters the tracking shot. Then you have his obvious love of heavy metal which bleeds into all his work. To me, Argento is like a more gruesome (and Italian) Brian De Palma. Both directors took where Hitchcock left off and just ran with it. The dude is bat shit, visually brilliant, and I love him all the more for it.

That's why a film like Giallo is so disappointing to me. To me, Argento is a man of spectacles, and that film is completely lacking in that regard. The guy has fallen off pretty hard as of late, I have no qualms admitting that. But it does come with age, ostensibly. I think he has at last one more masterpiece in him - somewhere.

Also in speaking of Demons (which Argento only produced) - what an awesome movie! Once it kicks in, it's like non-stop action. Maybe it's been a while since you've seen it, but I find it hard to believe you consider it to be so forgettable. I bought the limited edition Synapse steelbook blu-ray when it came out, of that and the sequel (which I still haven't watched - shame on me). The dub is especially entertaining to me, and the transfer is impeccable! Clearly, I'm not the only one who loves that film lol.

 


Tomato/Tomatoe though, eh?
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Old 08.11.2014, 04:48 AM   #18205
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I don't think it's a film that hits you immediately. It certainly took a few watches before it really sank in for me. It is very slow paced and much of its iconic status really only refers to the final quarter of the movie. I love it more and more but it almost had to stop being 'Taxi Driver' before I could really appreciate it. Take away the post-Mohican stuff and it's arguably one of his gentlest films.


Do you like The King of Comedy? I've been getting super into Jerry Lewis, and I decided to finally watch that one a while back. It's De Niro who really knocks it out of the park though, very similar performance to Taxi Driver, but I honestly feel it's stronger.
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Old 08.11.2014, 01:47 PM   #18206
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giallo is so much better than jenifer, or the other masters of horror one
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Old 08.11.2014, 02:19 PM   #18207
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I don't think it's a film that hits you immediately. It certainly took a few watches before it really sank in for me. It is very slow paced and much of its iconic status really only refers to the final quarter of the movie. I love it more and more but it almost had to stop being 'Taxi Driver' before I could really appreciate it. Take away the post-Mohican stuff and it's arguably one of his gentlest films.

Interestingly I clicked with this movie in one watch, and actually have only seen it twice yet vividly recall its details and underlying symbolic critique of society as a whole. Its a brilliant film whose genius gets lost if we get caught up in anachronism viewing it through a contemporary lens. We need to transport ourselves back to the time when it was one of the first truly gritty and honest reflections on the darkerside of urban life. It was almost like a film noir revision of some kind of turn of the 20th century muckraker pamphlet
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Old 08.12.2014, 12:38 AM   #18208
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Whelp... my favorite actor, Robin Williams, just killed himself. It's time to watch The Birdcage in his honor.

 


I'll miss your talents, Robin. You were a gift to Hollywood; extremely versatile and talented beyond your years. I don't give a rat's ass what motherfuckers say about RV or Patch Adams.

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Old 08.12.2014, 07:00 AM   #18209
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I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you on that one. If anything, I believe Argento deserves even more credit. He's easily in my top 5 of all-time (if not my top 3). And I'm not just talking about the horror genre.

I even loved his much hated take on Phantom of the Opera - remember that part in the sky? Shit was like the beginning Lynch's Dune - with rats! Or what about Stendhal Syndrome? Also Cat O' Nine Tails and Inferno. Just classic, after classic. His style is so wild and all over the place. Do you not remember that 'crow shot' from Opera? Dude slaughters the tracking shot. Then you have his obvious love of heavy metal which bleeds into all his work. To me, Argento is like a more gruesome (and Italian) Brian De Palma. Both directors took where Hitchcock left off and just ran with it. The dude is bat shit, visually brilliant, and I love him all the more for it.

That's why a film like Giallo is so disappointing to me. To me, Argento is a man of spectacles, and that film is completely lacking in that regard. The guy has fallen off pretty hard as of late, I have no qualms admitting that. But it does come with age, ostensibly. I think he has at last one more masterpiece in him - somewhere.

Also in speaking of Demons (which Argento only produced) - what an awesome movie! Once it kicks in, it's like non-stop action. Maybe it's been a while since you've seen it, but I find it hard to believe you consider it to be so forgettable. I bought the limited edition Synapse steelbook blu-ray when it came out, of that and the sequel (which I still haven't watched - shame on me). The dub is especially entertaining to me, and the transfer is impeccable! Clearly, I'm not the only one who loves that film lol.

 


Tomato/Tomatoe though, eh?

Tomato/Tomatoe indeed. I almost wish he'd never made Bird or Suspiria so I could write him off more easily but he obviously has something about him that people like yourself have picked up on that I just don't see.

I agree with the DePalma comparison but he's another one, despite liking some of his films a lot, that I struggle to get into more generally.
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Robin Williams is your favourite actor?!?!

Are just saying that because when some people die suddenly everyone realises they actually hold the opposite opinion of that person to when that person was alive?
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Lol, it has nothing to do with his death.

He's been my answer to the, "Who's your favorite actor?" question for a while now. It's his flexibility as a performer which I admire(d?) most.
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Lol, it has nothing to do with his death.

He's been my answer to the, "Who's your favorite actor?" question for a while now. It's his flexibility as a performer which I admire(d?) most.


Agreed. For those who think he has no range as an actor, watch Patch Adams, the guy goes from total shtick comedy to totally convincing drama in between single scenes!! Same with The Fisher King..

Also for the most serious side there was The Awakening (which I still really can't watch is so damned depressing)..

One of my favorites was What Dreams May Come, I think that movie was ridiculously underrated and under appreciated yo
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Old 08.14.2014, 08:55 AM   #18213
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finished watching lars von trier's nymphomaniac (or "nymph()maniac" to make it more pretentious). what seems like the 4-hour version (vol 1. last week and vol 2 last night)

 


when i saw vol 1 it felt like a good and important movie, i loved the story and the digressions. vol 2 however felt a lot less fresh and propelled more by logical inertia than inspiration. i probably fucked up by watching them separately instead of together. the element of surprise was gone. unfortunately i cannot go back in time.

it's not really a horny movie at all. it's a fucking sad and depressing and weird movie-- at least the 4 hour version which doesn't have all the porno fucking.

it's still a good movie though-- charlotte gainsbourg as this twisted but very lucid creature and stellan skaarsgard as his nerd story sidekick make a solid pair. the girl who plays young joe does a good job acting. shia labeouf is adequate. uma will surprise you. the other guy from the 90s who plays the dad does great too.

the camera is, as usual with him, great & gorgeous-- and it even quotes other lars von trier movies from medea to kingdom hospital to antichrist and i'm sure i've missed others. if you watch it, do it all in one session or pretty close (e.g. 2 days) or some of the magic will be gone from it.

also try to watch the 5 hour version if you can-- not for the porno which i'm sure will only add to the sadness, but because in the 4 hour one it feels like the movie has some plot holes and disconnects. regrets...
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what's the point?


That is what I think every single time I have to watch a Von Trier bullshit film.
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what's the point?

the same point as the spinning of any yarn--to keep the audience entertained. plus in a movie like this you get the bonus

it's an intelligent movie! it has good characters! and the time passed quickly while watching. i liked it. honest. i was just recommend it people don't wait too long for the 2nd part.

speaking of spinning yarns, this movie now i realize parallels in many ways 1001 nights-- which actually gets a mention in the dialogue. holy shit it does. ha ha ha ha. awesome!!

thinking again, to confirm my first impression, i'll say it's a good and (somewhat) important movie. i think, anyway. for me, not for the politics, but for the style.

i'm looking forward to watching the director's cut.

i'm also looking forward to the day when (if) "until the end of the world", the wim wenders movie, finally get released in complete form. it's been like 2 decades! and it's still hard to figure out what happened with the dream machine.

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That is what I think every single time I have to watch a Von Trier bullshit film.

he can be a bit of a sadist towards both characters and audience, i'll give you that. i can handle it okay though at times i have to look away.
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finished watching lars von trier's nymphomaniac (or "nymph()maniac" to make it more pretentious). what seems like the 4-hour version (vol 1. last week and vol 2 last night)

 


when i saw vol 1 it felt like a good and important movie, i loved the story and the digressions. vol 2 however felt a lot less fresh and propelled more by logical inertia than inspiration. i probably fucked up by watching them separately instead of together. the element of surprise was gone. unfortunately i cannot go back in time.

it's not really a horny movie at all. it's a fucking sad and depressing and weird movie-- at least the 4 hour version which doesn't have all the porno fucking.

it's still a good movie though-- charlotte gainsbourg as this twisted but very lucid creature and stellan skaarsgard as his nerd story sidekick make a solid pair. the girl who plays young joe does a good job acting. shia labeouf is adequate. uma will surprise you. the other guy from the 90s who plays the dad does great too.

the camera is, as usual with him, great & gorgeous-- and it even quotes other lars von trier movies from medea to kingdom hospital to antichrist and i'm sure i've missed others. if you watch it, do it all in one session or pretty close (e.g. 2 days) or some of the magic will be gone from it.

also try to watch the 5 hour version if you can-- not for the porno which i'm sure will only add to the sadness, but because in the 4 hour one it feels like the movie has some plot holes and disconnects. regrets...

I just think that entire premise was stupid and gratuitous and any attempts to claim it was a film with substance is wasted by the porno. It would have possibly been a brilliant flick sans the porno, but trying to make some kind of thought provoking film where graphic sex scenes are a major part of the plot and story seems trite at the least, and misogynistic at the worst.

Sure, the porno adds to the sadness but only because of how sad and utterly destructive porn is in real life. By the way, I'm not a prude, but having never even remotely seen this film it still really really bothers me..
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the same point as the spinning of any yarn--to keep the audience entertained. plus in a movie like this you get the bonus

it's an intelligent movie! it has good characters! and the time passed quickly while watching. i liked it. honest. i was just recommend it people don't wait too long for the 2nd part.

speaking of spinning yarns, this movie now i realize parallels in many ways 1001 nights-- which actually gets a mention in the dialogue. holy shit it does. ha ha ha ha. awesome!!

thinking again, to confirm my first impression, i'll say it's a good and (somewhat) important movie. i think, anyway. for me, not for the politics, but for the style.

i'm looking forward to watching the director's cut.

i'm also looking forward to the day when (if) "until the end of the world", the wim wenders movie, finally get released in complete form. it's been like 2 decades! and it's still hard to figure out what happened with the dream machine.



he can be a bit of a sadist towards both characters and audience, i'll give you that. i can handle it okay though at times i have to look away.


I think the complete "Until the End of the World" is out there. I got hold of a 5 hour version of the film several years ago. Honestly, I don't know if it adds anything to the film, though. I remember being much more impacted by the 2.5 hour version when I saw it ten years ago than the 5 hour version. There's ALOT of fluff towards the end between Von Sydow and Hurt that never really deepens the relationship. Still, as a Wenders completist, I was happy to finally find it.
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Old 08.14.2014, 09:54 PM   #18219
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I just think that entire premise was stupid and gratuitous and any attempts to claim it was a film with substance is wasted by the porno. It would have possibly been a brilliant flick sans the porno, but trying to make some kind of thought provoking film where graphic sex scenes are a major part of the plot and story seems trite at the least, and misogynistic at the worst.

Sure, the porno adds to the sadness but only because of how sad and utterly destructive porn is in real life. By the way, I'm not a prude, but having never even remotely seen this film it still really really bothers me..

have you watched it though?
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have you watched it though?


I don't like Skinemax kind of movies no matter how critically acclaimed..

I also didn't watch 12 Years A Slave because I can't watch depressing as movies, so if Nympho is both Skinemax AND depressing? Fuck that shit I wouldn't bother.
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