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Old 02.26.2014, 04:49 PM   #17961
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Fair enough on that stuff but it's interesting that a few other people I know who really can't get into a lot of the Jack Smith kind of stuff don't just tolerate George Kuchar but really seem to like him.

kuchar is alive! his stuff is not an intellectual exercise and he tries to teach you nothing. he's sort of experimental by default, by which i mean that his ends aren't "experimental", only his methods. i wish i could get more of his stuff. and he does a GREAT film noir actress! damn, he blows that student out of the water--he's like a, i don't know, bette davis or something.
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Old 02.26.2014, 05:25 PM   #17962
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I know what you're saying, especially about some of the underground stuff, but I don't think there's anything remotely intellectual about Jack Smith, and I really don't think he wanted to make 'experimental' films at all. Not self consciously, anyway. Anger, Brakhage, Deren were thinking about stuff on that level but Smith seemed to be working more along the lines of outsider art.
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Old 02.26.2014, 11:46 PM   #17963
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I know what you're saying, especially about some of the underground stuff, but I don't think there's anything remotely intellectual about Jack Smith, and I really don't think he wanted to make 'experimental' films at all. Not self consciously, anyway. Anger, Brakhage, Deren were thinking about stuff on that level but Smith seemed to be working more along the lines of outsider art.

i've only seen jack smith as an actor so far, it was someone else's movie-- i haven't seen flaming creatures, only bits of it. the stuff i saw him in belonged to ken jacobs and… someone else i forget right now. oh yes in chumlum. but the documentary about smith was very compelling-- for a lot of reasons too late in the evening to mention (i've had some rum). still, i might like the stuff he directed when i actually get to see it. as for the "acting", in the first part of little stabs at happiness, the "couple" with the "babies" where he eats out the dolls crotch, it was disturbing but great-- you know, some sort of dumb family scene and the baby gets violated-- it worked. but it was only the additions after that where i lost my patience with ken jacobs (not really with jack smith).

i do like maya deren actually. not all the time but i "get" her. and anger. not really brakhage (too abstract i suppose, and i can't look at it for too long). anger bores me, but he bores me the right way-- he bores me with an excess of style, i suppose-- but he has tons of style. i don't see his work as cerebral or intellectual-- i actually find it pretty raw. and that's what saddened me about mario banana (the andy warhol thing w/ mario montez)-- what could have been a sort of apotheosis of style (a la anger) becomes a kind of banana porn which yes, maybe it was supposed to be funny, but i found to be a waste of a great drag queen. i don't know, maybe i was too annoyed at the time. if it had been mario montez in a kenneth anger set it would have been something brilliant. was mario montez ever in anger movies? anyway, back to the rum!
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What Happened to Kerouac?

Nice archival interviews with Burroughs, Hunke and others, learned a few things abt "Kerroway" that I didn't already know, and an hilarious segment with Neal and Ginsberg. High reccos for those who like any of the beats
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Old 03.01.2014, 07:47 AM   #17965
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The Elephant Man.

dont know why i put off seeing this movie for so long. figured it wasn't regular oddball Lynch. yes, i cried and you did too.

plan on watching The Straight Story sometime today.
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Old 03.01.2014, 04:16 PM   #17966
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Robo Cop!!



the original Robo Cop is much better.

i remember my mother disliking me renting this vid in the late 80's because it was violent and she was right...... it disturbed me to the upthe degree. limbs getting blow off and just general 80'sness. i feel sick.

the original robo cop made me not try cocaine off hookers tits and puke and i have bad dreams (sewage waste retard) along with the Garbage Pail Kids movie in 87.

like all remakes ......THEY ALL SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the 80's were fucked up and so am i. im so fucked up i blame the 80's.

THE 80's MOTHERFUCKER FUCKED ME UP!!!! THE 80's!!!!!!!!!! MJ FOX in the Secret of my SucceSS!!!!made my dick hard for jupppy bitches!!! my god. Wall Street overalls and my hardcore punk brother with overalls....fucked me up.!!!!!

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the 80's.

RIP.

im moving along now excluding father with cocaine addictions and beverly cop eddie murphy reruns.

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i needed something from the redbox, and this was there, and it wasn't half bad! actually it was pretty good, even considering i don't like affleck much. the rest of the cast was pretty great though-- john goodman and alan arkin were particularly entertaining to watch. good/fun spy movie. good also that the start of the movie acknowledges the us intervention in deposing a democratic leader and propping up the shah in iran. anyway, highly watchable entertainment, if you're into this sort of thing.
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i've only seen jack smith as an actor so far, it was someone else's movie-- i haven't seen flaming creatures, only bits of it. the stuff i saw him in belonged to ken jacobs and… someone else i forget right now. oh yes in chumlum. but the documentary about smith was very compelling-- for a lot of reasons too late in the evening to mention (i've had some rum). still, i might like the stuff he directed when i actually get to see it. as for the "acting", in the first part of little stabs at happiness, the "couple" with the "babies" where he eats out the dolls crotch, it was disturbing but great-- you know, some sort of dumb family scene and the baby gets violated-- it worked. but it was only the additions after that where i lost my patience with ken jacobs (not really with jack smith).

i do like maya deren actually. not all the time but i "get" her. and anger. not really brakhage (too abstract i suppose, and i can't look at it for too long). anger bores me, but he bores me the right way-- he bores me with an excess of style, i suppose-- but he has tons of style. i don't see his work as cerebral or intellectual-- i actually find it pretty raw. and that's what saddened me about mario banana (the andy warhol thing w/ mario montez)-- what could have been a sort of apotheosis of style (a la anger) becomes a kind of banana porn which yes, maybe it was supposed to be funny, but i found to be a waste of a great drag queen. i don't know, maybe i was too annoyed at the time. if it had been mario montez in a kenneth anger set it would have been something brilliant. was mario montez ever in anger movies? anyway, back to the rum!

If you didn't like Chumlum I can't see you being into the films Jack Smith actually directed. They're variations on the same kind of thing.

I don't think Anger ever worked with Mario Montez or anyone from the NY underground scene. I imagine he saw himself as 'above all that'. The West Coast scene seemed far less shambolic than the East Coast's. There's a certain professionalism to Anger and Deren's stuff - technically at least - that you won't really find in most of the stuff coming out of NY at that time.
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Excellent documentary on Dada and early Surrealism.
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Old 03.04.2014, 08:49 AM   #17974
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If you didn't like Chumlum I can't see you being into the films Jack Smith actually directed. They're variations on the same kind of thing..


really? i was looking forward to much more. the documentary about him made him look quite fascinating--him as a person. and i have a friend who is a huge fan of his movies. i'll have to try anyway because sometimes a small change makes all the difference.

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I don't think Anger ever worked with Mario Montez or anyone from the NY underground scene. I imagine he saw himself as 'above all that'. The West Coast scene seemed far less shambolic than the East Coast's. There's a certain professionalism to Anger and Deren's stuff - technically at least - that you won't really find in most of the stuff coming out of NY at that time.

a pity, cuz mario was better looking than anais nin, ha ha. and what you say about production values is very true, now that i think about it.
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Old 03.04.2014, 09:00 AM   #17975
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this one was pretty stupid. thumbs down. terrible dialogue and direction so the performances are blegh. structurally terrible-- a bunch of minor characters with nothing to contribute except being part of the decor (silf, the musketeer guy). villains that look like teletubbies (see picture). "worlds" that look right of a xena set. heavy london "product placement". just too fucking obvious and ponderous and meh. even the jokes sucked--like they were trying to channel joss whedon and failed. not completely unwatchable, but not really watchable either. maybe only loki was interesting. the rest not at all. it's like it was written by too many people and each did a bit.
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really? i was looking forward to much more. the documentary about him made him look quite fascinating--him as a person. and i have a friend who is a huge fan of his movies. i'll have to try anyway because sometimes a small change makes all the difference.

To be fair there's a massive cult of personality surrounding him. I have a friend who's a massive underground film fan and even he admits that Jack Smith is probably more interesting than any film he made or appeared in. I'm not sure I agree with that completely but there's definitely some truth to it - which is a key difference between him and Anger, who's just as eccentric and fascinating as a person but whose films still manage to stand up in their own right. It's possible to appreciate a film like Scorpio Rising without knowing anything about who made it. I'm not sure the same could be said about Flaming Creatures.

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what you say about production values is very true

Anger was brought up in Hollywood and his family worked in the industry so he had access to equipment and crew that nobody on the east coast had. Same for Deren, whose films were shot by her husband: a well respected and future oscar winnining filmmaker in his own right. The NY underground seemed more like a subculture, with film playing no bigger part than say poetry or music or theatre, whereas the west coast seemed far less like a scene and more dedicated just to making films.
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The last movie I watched was 1960's "The Last Voyage", starring Robert Stack and a bunch of other people. The film is pretty much a pointless disaster flick, wherein a ship suffers a boiler room explosion which blows out the bottom and sinks, but, before she sinks, a whole lotta melodramatic crap happens. But the real star of the film was the ship herself, which was none other than SS Īle de France, one of the great ocean liners of all time. The beginning scenes show off the ship's Art-Deco passenger accommodations quite well, and the rest of the film shows off the engineering spaces and navigation bridge, as well as boat deck operations, etc.. Yet it's sad to see the ship being so abused for the sake of making the film, as it was shot in 1959 while she was being towed to the ship breakers' yard in Japan, and the film shows explosions destroying much of the beautiful passenger accommodation spaces. There's also a weird scene showing the forward funnel being unshipped due to gravitational force unleashed by the ship's foundering by the head (an obvious reference to a similar incident occurring in the course of the RMS Titanic disaster), when in fact the post-WWII refit funnels of SS Īle de France had centers of gravity WAY too low to have provided gravitational potential energy sufficient to have caused such a failure.

There are obvious references to then-recent shipwrecks, such as that of SS Andrea Doria (in which SS Īle de France played a major role in the rescue of survivors, for which she was named a Gallant Ship), as well as a piano falling through a collapsed deck, which actually occurred aboard SS Aquitania around 1950.

Does it seem that most of my recent reviews involve films heavily featuring ships?
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Robert Schunk, I was reading some astronomy magazine with an interesting article about increasing discoveries of objects orbiting our Sun in the Kuiper Belt, and how these objects are all effected particularly by Neptune's gravity. Some folks are suggesting that it could be evidence to support an entirely new cosmology for planetary formation. New "discoveries" of Jupiter (and larger) sized "planets" orbiting much closer to their relative stars than where our gas giants also are a part of this. Current theories suggest planets formed at or near their current places, with the gas giants around the middle and the rocky Earth-sized planets nearer the sun. New theories suggest that possibly the gas giants can form nearer to their stars and then move out. How does Neptune play into this? If Neptune is a gas giant that formed nearer to our sun and then moved outward later its gravity could have attracted the 200 or so planetary sized objects in the Kuiper Belt. I thought this ridiculously interesting, it essentially flips the planetary formation model of the past 50 years on its head!

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Robert Schunk, I was reading some astronomy magazine with an interesting article about increasing discoveries of objects orbiting our Sun in the Kuiper Belt, and how these objects are all effected particularly by Neptune's gravity. Some folks are suggesting that it could be evidence to support an entirely new cosmology for planetary formation. New "discoveries" of Jupiter (and larger) sized "planets" orbiting much closer to their relative stars than where our gas giants also are a part of this. Current theories suggest planets formed at or near their current places, with the gas giants around the middle and the rocky Earth-sized planets nearer the sun. New theories suggest that possibly the gas giants can form nearer to their stars and then move out. How does Neptune play into this? If Neptune is a gas giant that formed nearer to our sun and then moved outward later its gravity could have attracted the 200 or so planetary sized objects in the Kuiper Belt. I thought this ridiculously interesting, it essentially flips the planetary formation model of the past 50 years on its head!


I don't know what you've been reading, but the "switched" position of Neptune relative to that of Uranus involves gravitational interaction with Jupiter. Jupiter's the planet responsible for the Asteroid Belt, as the Asteroid Belt is a planet that can't get going because any time the planet accretes to the point that her own gravity causes her to compact into spherical shape, Jupiter's gravity rips her apart.

The bulk of your post concerns solar systems with "Hot Jupiters", which are Jupiter-class planets that orbit their suns well within tiny Mercury's orbit around out own sun (such as Bellerophon and Dinky) and whose year lasts about four or so Earth days. These are solar systems OLDER than our own, in which the Jupiter-class planets, which can ONLY form in the cold outer regions of their solar systems, augured into much tighter orbits, thus tossing the rocky pebbles into the interstellar void in a huge game of gravitational pinball. Our own solar system is young, yet born of a very old stellar progression, as is shown by the fact that our solar system consists of only trace amounts of elements heavier than iron (such as gold, silver, uranium, etc.), which can only be formed in supernovae sufficiently energetic to fuse elements heavier than iron ON THEIR OWN!!!, which gave birth to at least two daughter stars, which then exploded in less energetic supernovae which could not produce new elements on their own (i.e., they could produce no elements heavier than the heaviest element that a dying star is capable of producing on its own, that being iron, which is why Earth and Venus have molten iron cores which generate magnetic fields sufficient to keep the solar wind from blasting our atmospheres into outer space, and which is why Mercury is so dense and Mars so red (lots and lots of iron), and why meteors are so iron-rich. Our own sun, like the stars in our own birth group and that of our neighboring and intertwined birth group (called our "local puff") will not go nova, but will simply burn out into white dwarves (glowing cinders of stars whose nuclear furnaces have burned out by turning into iron and are merely shedding residual energy), and, ultimately, black dwarves (burnt-out coals of stars, none of which yet exist because the universe is too young to have produced any yet).

And, by the way, Kuyper Belt Objects do not orbit Neptune. They orbit the Sun. So guess who's still the gravitational boss of the Solar System?
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I don't know what you've been reading, but the "switched" position of Neptune relative to that of Uranus involves gravitational interaction with Jupiter..

No, not talking about Neptune's orbit, talking about how Neptune's gravity effects objects in the Kuiper Belt.. been reading the link I posted and a couple of other things I searched..

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The bulk of your post concerns solar systems with "Hot Jupiters", which are Jupiter-class planets that orbit their suns well within tiny Mercury's orbit around out own sun (such as Bellerophon and Dinky) and whose year lasts about four or so Earth days..

This is what I'm talking about..
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The hot objects must have a different history from the cold
objects — yet they’re orbiting in the same region of space.
What did all of this mean? A major clue came from
outside the solar system entirely. At the same time as the
Kuiper Belt was first being surveyed, astronomers had
also begun to discover planets around nearby stars. Many
of these exoplanets were so-called “hot Jupiters,” giant
worlds on insanely tight orbits around their stars. Given
what (little) we know about planet formation, these boil-
ing-hot gas planets couldn’t possibly have formed in their
present locations. But that meant that, against conven-
tional wisdom, these gigantic worlds must somehow have
formed very far from their stars, then migrated inward.
If exo-Jupiters can move inward, researchers reasoned,
then perhaps the giant planets in our own solar system
are not in their original locations. They saw that if Nep-
tune had migrated outward since it formed and intruded
into a primordial belt of cometlike objects, it would have
eaten a few of them and scattered the rest like billiard
balls, trapping some in orbital resonances and sending
others inward toward the Sun.

A few of the inward-moving objects stayed safely in the
outer solar system as Trojans. But the majority of these
travelers would have kept right on going. The resulting
cascade of comets into the inner solar system could have
contributed to the Late Heavy Bombardment, thought to
have pelted the inner planets and moons a few hundred
million years after the solar system formed (S&T: August
2011, page 20).
The present distribution of orbits in the Kuiper Belt
is thus a crime scene, preserving evidence for the havoc
wreaked when Neptune invaded its domain. Dynamicists
still don’t know exactly how Neptune perpetrated the
crime, though — it’s hard to write a history of Neptune’s
motion that can create the various “excited” populations in
the Kuiper Belt (the resonant, scattered, and hot classical
objects) while leaving the cold classical disk unscathed.
In the early 2000s, Mike Brown (Caltech), Chad
Trujillo (Gemini North Observatory), and David Rabino-
witz (Yale) began new CCD-assisted surveys specifically
designed to detect large trans-Neptunian objects, result-
ing in the discoveries of several of the largest now known.
The KBO discovery rate peaked in 2003, with nearly 200
discovered that year; in 2011, fewer than 20 were found.
The discovery rate has dropped not just because we’ve
found all the bright ones, but because the rarefied group
of astronomers working on this distant part of the solar
system has largely moved on from describing them as a
population to studying them as individuals.


Part of the evidence of gas giants forming further in the solar system is the reality that we currently find them further away in the solar system. But if they can move? The "hot Jupiters" are potential evidence of them moving inward, and some of the solar orbits of objects in the Kuiper Belt may be evidence Neptune's migration outward. If Neptune migrated outward, it can flip the zones around a bit. I'm not saying these giants formed near the stars, but some evidence possibly suggests nearer than previously thought, and also, if Neptune is moving outward clearly it formed closer than its current location.

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And, by the way, Kuyper Belt Objects do not orbit Neptune. They orbit the Sun. So guess who's still the gravitational boss of the Solar System?

Do you ever even read my posts or just trash talk them blindly??
I never said they orbited Neptune, I was talking about how Neptune's gravity has a measurable effect on their orbits around the Sun.


But thanks for being a total prick about it.. Its always nice to talk with you
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