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Old 02.24.2014, 01:43 PM   #17821
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watched a bunch of things this weekend…

THE SCIENCE OF SLEEP

 


i love watching michel gondry's movies because it's like getting inside the mind of a very imaginative child with awesome toys. having said that, i didn't like his main character too much because of his arrested development condition. i laughed a bit when i heard it was all autobiographical (in a way). poor guy! but a fun movie. first time i see charlotte gainsbourg, she has her dad's face and her mom's body and hairdo.

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THE DAMN UNITED

 


i liked it, but this one needed to restore some deleted scenes, because the final print is incomprehensible without them. i wish they had the "extended version" option on the disc because what the fuck was that man doing in his office during the game? had he been sent off by the ref? was he shitting his pants? no? jeezus… fucking incomprehensible. good story and good characters (even though i understand much was fictionalized), and there's an extra on the disc about "the changing game" which as a nice addition.

LIFE OF PI

 


gorgeous, visually, and amazing story, i just didn't like the whole religious angle which is supposedly the backbone of the whole thing, but still, what a spectacle, fucking wow. only weird thing was looking at his CGI uncle with the weird body, the way his face moved was creepy as fuck. as for the rest, jeezus, tremendous visuals.

TREASURES IV: DISC 2

an unmitigated borefest. 11 minutes of fog moving off a hill "to teach us how to see" (thanks, professor). a fast-forward tour of new york in the 60s. some lady in a hammock, and jack smith making faces or giving a blow job to a balloon. the unlistenable "music" of angus maclise. a drag queen giving a blow job to a banana (more obvious please). 9 minutes of people in an escalator (clever-- but 9 minutes!?!?). 36 minutes of some other thing i decided to skip because no avant-garde anything should last 36 minutes (ha ha, no, i didn't have time to watch it and just wanted the next movie in the queue sent).

the singular wonderful exception to all this nonsense was george kuchar's I, AN ACTRESS, which had us laughing hard and we watched twice. george kuchar was indeed an amazing actress!

 


there was also the first segment of ken jacobs's "little stabs at happiness" featuring jack smith, which was pretty great and disturbing, but then he has to keep adding more and more segments and boring footage until you just want to kill him.

one thing i noticed in all or most of these people or at least a lot of them they were ivy league dropouts. correlation or causation?
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Old 02.24.2014, 02:52 PM   #17822
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the zombie is obviously a christian fantasy. it's a corpse without a soul. it's the excess of animality - raw drive and craving. to heaven.

I believe you have this backwards, a zombie is a soul trapped within a corpse..

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as for the post christianity thing-

so christianity dies in the mind of anyone who isn't brain damaged but it lives on in the unconscious. so you get this post christianity which totally dominates us now.

Christianity thrives and continually mutates precisely because it is a composite of the previous philosphies. The moral truths of Christianity aren't unique innovations by Christians, they are self-evident even in the altruism we observe in animals and nature. Also, following the reasonings of Joseph Campbell, Christianity is a product of the universal themes of the human subconscious, not a cause. We aren't carrying around Christian baggage in our heads, rather, Christianity is prevailing philosophy which is constructed existentially to explain and value these subconscious "Archtypes" in the language of Carl Jung. Our brain is filled with imagery, structure, meaning, which our art and culture build on. So Christianity didn't invent what is in the brain, it is just a way of trying to make sense of what the brain is naturally doing.


if you start to look for it you'll find evidence for it everywhere

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the idea that a kind of belief in denying bad things is a substitute for morality. we don't want to face the truth so we use post modern relativism to make belief itself apparently meaningful.

TO THIS I CAN AGREE COMPLETELY. The quasi-Christianity which dominates the mega-church culture definitely is a kind of substitute morality, meanwhile the tradition of Christianity as perpetuated by the Patristic writers and commentators are about the deeply introspective, contemplative, philosophical, in other words "the examined life." Christianity at its root is more akin to the deep self-examination of Buddhism than the stone-age Christianity passing itself today.


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.. cos if we don't then we're all just appetite driven monsters seeking the fulfilment of our drives, shuffling around until we die.
Well, I can't argue with that!

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e.g., to me, christianity is a nihilism in that it devalues this world in opposition to an inexistent one. there's also the post-christian nihilism that says that withouth a god the world has no meaning and without a meaning life is not worth living.

That is the heretical and flawed quasi-Christianity perpetuated by Calvinism. Non-Calvinist Christian thought is perhaps the opposite, its the belief that THIS LIFE is important, has value, has purpose and meaning. Remember the underlying premise of Christianity is the "Second Coming" and the manifestation of "the Kingdom" all on earth. In fact, the doctrine of the resurrection of the dead, bodily, is in fact the very definition of Christian materialism. The material world which we currently exist is so important to the human experience, that after death the body comes with us. Further, the idea of "the Last Judgment" if anything OVERVALUES the experiences of this material life, because by the logic of this teaching "God(s)" will judge mankind for what they did, hence nihilism to the material is incompatible with most Christian teaching across the past 1900 years of the institutional Church.

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existentialism however rescues value from the face of absurdity and godlessness without a return of belief. i like the holy ghost metaphor but i don't see how it operates it in real life (but i'm odd, so, maybe it happens to others.).


How is the self exploration of the contemplative life of the Christian NOT a variety of existentialism? If anything, the Patristic commentaries are ALL dealing with existential matters of philosophy.
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Old 02.24.2014, 02:58 PM   #17823
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but i dont believe in christianity. so i dont think there's a soul at all.

christians talk about "soul" because they worship self. their concept of self is individual and not intrapersonal like it is in the far east/india.

if anyone wants to buy my soul btw, im open to offers. you can pay me by paypal.
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PS. - i forgot the most important thing about post christianity, which is that it totally fails to do away with the fucking atrocity at the core of christianity, which is the myth of creation. we basically still worship this myth only we want artists and entertainers to embody it. the idea of creation is the idea of a supernatural self that has agency above and beyond causality. and if this part of the myth is intact, then post christianity, atheism, secularism etc. are just as bad as what they want to replace..
Yet, even with all its eloquence and equations, the current cosmological explanations fall short of explaining the Big Bang any deeper than when Saint Augustine affirmed that the material world was "created" ex nihilo. All our current observations break down in the fraction of a second just after the Big Bang. Further, we have two contradicting scientific philosophies, one at the macro and the other at the micro, which currently have yet to be mathematically reconciled..
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Old 02.24.2014, 03:09 PM   #17825
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no, sorry. they don't.

christians constantly constantly say things like that, every little bit of wonderous unexplained fantasticalness in science is used to wedge god in there.

its called "the god of the gaps".

eg. "so we dont know what happened between point a and point b yet" "god did it." "but just because we don't yet-" "god did it."

and then when we do know, it becomes "well we don't know what happens between point b and point c, so you never know! my anthropomorphic fantasy of creationism that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside might be proved by this massive explanatory gap! you scientists can't technically prove me wrong yet! hehehe"
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also its just outright dishonest to say that your ignorance of science equates to what science actually knows. im sorry but they know a hell of a lot more than augustine did. a hell of a lot more data.
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Yet, even with all its eloquence and equations, the current cosmological explanations fall short of explaining the Big Bang any deeper than when Saint Augustine affirmed that the material world was "created" ex nihilo. All our current observations break down in the fraction of a second just after the Big Bang. Further, we have two contradicting scientific philosophies, one at the macro and the other at the micro, which currently have yet to be mathematically reconciled..

No one is trying to explain the Big Bang. It is unexplainable, as time/history/matter/energy were all created in what is referred to as a big bang. to study that moment itself, or anything before it, is to undertake theology, not science.
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also its just outright dishonest to say that your ignorance of science equates to what science actually knows. im sorry but they know a hell of a lot more than augustine did. a hell of a lot more data.

Its not MY ignorance of science, its science in general. Currently, quantum mechanics and conventional "Newtonian" physics can't be reconciled mathematically. Its almost like they're describe two different Universes, yet, we trying cosmologically to understand the one Universe we all live in. Also and again, I'm not a physicist, but even in high school physics its taught that when we rewind the cosmological clock all the way to the micro-seconds just AFTER the Big Bang, all our wonderful observations and mathematical formulas become incoherent. Also keep in mind that currently there isn't a single mathematical explanation to the concept of "dark matter/energy" to explain the observed balance we see in the material world of subatomic particles. Lastly, you'd be surprised how scientifically advanced the world of Saint Augustine was, in fact, they have technologies and capabilities which even todays most impressive technology STILL CAN'T DUPLICATE. It is a self-aggrandizing anachronism to assume the past was inherently more primitive to the present
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The Big Bang is actually an attempt to explain why every single thing in the Universe is moving away from every other thing in the Universe. (there is indisputable evidence for this, but too many cannot bother with looking at evidence) If you go "backwards" in time, then eventually you reach a time/place where everything that exists was very very close to everything that exists. That initial expansion is what is referred to as "the big bang," which is NOT what scientists call it, but what laymen call it because they need everything simplified into grade school terminology.
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science is not technology. technology is engineering.

science is the codified rules by which information is gathered about the universe in order to back up or refute theories.
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Egyptians had amazing engineering. AMAZING, but their science was a crock of shit.
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Currently, quantum mechanics and conventional "Newtonian" physics can't be reconciled mathematically.
and the immaculate conception postulates a haploid christ
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Watched this on Sat with wife as it was on cable.

 


made me think it was sourced from a novel and lots of stuff was left out.
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Its not MY ignorance of science, its science in general. Currently, quantum mechanics and conventional "Newtonian" physics can't be reconciled mathematically. Its almost like they're describe two different Universes, yet, we trying cosmologically to understand the one Universe we all live in. Also and again, I'm not a physicist, but even in high school physics its taught that when we rewind the cosmological clock all the way to the micro-seconds just AFTER the Big Bang, all our wonderful observations and mathematical formulas become incoherent. Also keep in mind that currently there isn't a single mathematical explanation to the concept of "dark matter/energy" to explain the observed balance we see in the material world of subatomic particles. Lastly, you'd be surprised how scientifically advanced the world of Saint Augustine was, in fact, they have technologies and capabilities which even todays most impressive technology STILL CAN'T DUPLICATE. It is a self-aggrandizing anachronism to assume the past was inherently more primitive to the present

yeah, because newtonian physics is wrong! and its widely recognized as being so. newton was a christian who was intending to explain gods laws btw.

it's widely recognized that the newtonian model was necessary to get us to where we are today but that obviously like all theories in science, it's subject to be disproved once better data comes along. scientists routinely say that newtonian thinking still resides in the culture at large but they are well beyond it. they've pointed out numerous times that this is the case and that the rest of us haven't caught up to them yet.

but you christians want to freeze us in this eternal post modern dark ages of "but we just can't know certain things!"
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The Gnostics believe that "Christ" was God made manifest on Earth and he only pretended to suffer his Passions, as he could feel no pain, being a god and all.. he played it all out for our benefit.
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No one is trying to explain the Big Bang. It is unexplainable, as time/history/matter/energy were all created in what is referred to as a big bang. to study that moment itself, or anything before it, is to undertake theology, not science.

bullshit. its science and scientists are doing it and have been doing it for a while now.
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yeah, because newtonian physics is wrong! and its widely recognized as being so. newton was a christian who was intending to explain gods laws btw.

Newtonian physics isn't wrong, the evidence is tangible. The equations of Newtonian physics are those which were used and are still used by NASA for space exploration and configuring artifical satellites..

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it's widely recognized that the newtonian model was necessary to get us to where we are today but that obviously like all theories in science, it's subject to be disproved once better data comes along.

You're talking out of your ass, no actual scientist would ever claim that Newtonian physics is innaccurate or outdated..

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bullshit. its science and scientists are doing it and have been doing it for a while now.


Bullshit. When they try to "add it all up" nothing makes sense. At this stage in the game, the instant of the Big Bang and the theoretical singularity of matter which preceded it are mathematically speaking impossible, hence Rob's correct assertion that such is really bordering on speculative cosmology rather than substantive science.
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The Big Bang is actually an attempt to explain why every single thing in the Universe is moving away from every other thing in the Universe. (there is indisputable evidence for this, but too many cannot bother with looking at evidence) If you go "backwards" in time, then eventually you reach a time/place where everything that exists was very very close to everything that exists. That initial expansion is what is referred to as "the big bang," which is NOT what scientists call it, but what laymen call it because they need everything simplified into grade school terminology.


Yes, but when we "rewind" the clock using math, the results begin to stop making mathematical sense. Currently, science can't explain how all the matter in the universe existed as a singularity because the equations don't add up. Could they in the future? Possibly. But wishful thinking isn't exactly hard facts of science. Also and again, the two prevailing cosmologies work indepentently, but don't mutually explain each other. So there is a gap. I'm not promoting God(s) as a cause or bridge of these gaps, that would be intellectually disingenuous of me. However, REAL science it to at the same time be perfectly honest about its current limitations. Read some Stephen Hawkings about the concept of "time" .. very interesting stuff. And yes, contrary to you prejudice against me dead_battery, I am more informed about science then you'd like to admit
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BTW, Newtonian physics was not wrong. It was 99.999999% correct and most of it still functions as intended. It was in the small details, the edges of the theory, where it fell apart. Most of it is till totally valid.
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bullshit. its science and scientists are doing it and have been doing it for a while now.

Nope. Go read about it man. They make guesses as to what could have been but that is not science. They admit that it is just fools guessing. actual science deals with verifiable experimental results. anyone trying to explain the initial state of the Universe, is doing metaphysics.
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you two should go read scott bakker who is unfortunately a weepy narcissitic post christian moralist who whines about our precious "souls" too but actually has a complete theory of consciousness which is waiting for a definitive test to come along and prove or disprove it.

sorry that science does not tell you what you want to hear about your insignificant place in the universe and realities indifference to your vanity but you know, we got to start from where things really are not where we want them to be, yeah?
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