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Old 09.15.2013, 06:49 PM   #17381
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^^ that looks kind of funny. funny haha not peculiar.


speaking of funny, earlier today watched john ford's stagecoach. some memorable photography and impressive stuntwork, but it was not the great epic thing i expected it to be (perhaps demonyo can tell me why i'm wrong). at first it reminded me of hitchcock's lifeboat, but i like hitchcock better. i did appreciate the comedic bits (e.g., yakima the apache wife), and the bit of social commentary (the banker crook), but at times i also found it involuntarily funny-- a bit corny all around. but of course this being a 70+ year old movie shit like that can happen.
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Old 09.16.2013, 05:28 AM   #17382
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I think in part its reputation is purely historical: talking very broadly, it helped modernise the western away from the 'singing cowboy' stuff with Roy Rogers, etc and its B movie origins, as well making a star out of Wayne and a cult figure out of Ford - arguably the first Hollywood director to gain a following at a time when the overwhelming focus was still on the studios/producers and the stars. As such, it also helped establish the idea that great directors could express themselves in the kinds of genre films that'd traditionally had a quite low status, while helping to inspire a group of young European critics to start talking about the possibility of a Hollywood 'auteur', able to rival the established European directors - many of whom (like Lang, Hitch, Renoir) were far more open to taking on genre films when they moved to Hollywood because of the artistic credibility Ford gave them in Stagecoach.

So in a sense its reputation is pretty academic. It's the set text that underpins much of what's taught in Film Studies programmes today. Beyond that it's more subjective. I just think it's a great western. It may have dated slightly politically but there's a kind of epic timelessness to it, bordering on pure mythology. As well as that, something that I think often gets overlooked by people who focus perhaps a bit too much on Ford's purely 'western' content, is what a great romance it is. The love affair between Ringo and Dallas is one of my favourites in any film, regardless of genre.

Tombs of the Blind Dead is great. Actually that's not true. It's pretty boring for the most part. It does have the coolest zombies you'll ever see, though. No mean feat given the amount we've seen over the years.

 

 
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Old 09.16.2013, 07:08 AM   #17383
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I think in part its reputation is purely historical: talking very broadly, it helped modernise the western away from the 'singing cowboy' stuff with Roy Rogers, etc and its B movie origins, as well making a star out of Wayne and a cult figure out of Ford - arguably the first Hollywood director to gain a following at a time when the overwhelming focus was still on the studios/producers and the stars. As such, it also helped establish the idea that great directors could express themselves in the kinds of genre films that'd traditionally had a quite low status, while helping to inspire a group of young European critics to start talking about the possibility of a Hollywood 'auteur', able to rival the established European directors - many of whom (like Lang, Hitch, Renoir) were far more open to taking on genre films when they moved to Hollywood because of the artistic credibility Ford gave them in Stagecoach.

So in a sense its reputation is pretty academic. It's the set text that underpins much of what's taught in Film Studies programmes today. Beyond that it's more subjective. I just think it's a great western. It may have dated slightly politically but there's a kind of epic timelessness to it, bordering on pure mythology. As well as that, something that I think often gets overlooked by people who focus perhaps a bit too much on Ford's purely 'western' content, is what a great romance it is. The love affair between Ringo and Dallas is one of my favourites in any film, regardless of genre.

Tombs of the Blind Dead is great. Actually that's not true. It's pretty boring for the most part. It does have the coolest zombies you'll ever see, though. No mean feat given the amount we've seen over the years.

 

 

thanks for that post mang. that was pretty great. in a hurry right now but thanks.
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Old 09.18.2013, 08:46 AM   #17384
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Fucking sucked. On every level. Aston Kutcher's shitty acting isn't even the worst thing about the movie, and he's about the worst actor to ever appear on a screen ever.
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Old 09.18.2013, 08:53 AM   #17385
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Old 09.18.2013, 09:42 AM   #17386
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they've run this into the ground IMO. This was an action film. The old Star TRek was great because it had imagination. There is none in this. Its is hackwork. I mean, they are listening to old hiphop in the future- I don't fucking think so.
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Old 09.18.2013, 11:57 AM   #17387
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they've run this into the ground IMO. This was an action film. The old Star TRek was great because it had imagination. There is none in this. Its is hackwork.

so what's wrong with action films? it's a summer blockbuster. and it's well-done action.

as far as i recall also "the wrath of khan" wasn't the most mind-blowing of movies but it saved star trek from extinction, allowing shit like tng and ds9 to be developed..

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I mean, they are listening to old hiphop in the future- I don't fucking think so.

i listen to 300-year-old music on a daily basis -- i "get performance today" on the radio. today they had a beethoven musical puzzle (some kids song w/ the archduke trio).

i also listen to old whorehouse music from 100 years ago.
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so what's wrong with action films? it's a summer blockbuster. and it's well-done action.


the fans expect more. Star Trek was always about more than just the action.

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I don't buy it, its just laziness and pandering. Even Star Wars tried to create 'alien' music in the bar scene, maybe it didn't work.

I'm not asking for an intellectual masterpiece, but some intelligence would be nice. Anyway, as it was explained to me, this franchise of ST is in another time zone, so the studio can do whatever they want with the characters.
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the fans expect more. Star Trek was always about more than just the action.

you could say the same thing about the wrath of khan. roddenberry wasn't even involved in the production because the first movie bombed.

read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Tr...an#Development

what really really failed for me on this one was the casting of bandersnatch as khan. it was a real mistake for me. khan noonien singh? no waii. the original khan was above all a fucking peacock (even the hairdo). this one is-- sherlock!

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I don't buy it, its just laziness and pandering. Even Star Wars tried to create 'alien' music in the bar scene, maybe it didn't work.

the bar music in star wars was an atrocity, but i really didn't pay too much attention to the music in this one. molehill -> mountain.

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I'm not asking for an intellectual masterpiece, but some intelligence would be nice. Anyway, as it was explained to me, this franchise of ST is in another time zone, so the studio can do whatever they want with the characters.

you can always watch some ds9 reruns!
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Wrath of Khan is about a lot more than just the action, which was awesome.

It makes me cry.
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Wrath of Khan is about a lot more than just the action, which was awesome.

It makes me cry.

you saw how they reversed the roles for this one? kirk gets the radiation and spock cries?

(but the thing is, here we don't have the loooong story of friendship to justify the whole "friends" theme)

also, the new uhura is FANTASTIC.
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Old 09.18.2013, 01:19 PM   #17393
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Yeah, agree with Tesla. I'm not a massive Star Trek fan but I've always seen it as more ideas than action based (the US's equivalent to Dr Who, in a way).

The use of rap didn't have to be inappropriate but for me it comes down to motivation and I didn't see any genuine reason for it being there other than as a way of attracting the kind of audience Hollywood execs think a film has to reach just in order to survive. Same as the brief underwear shot of Alice Eve which, as nice as it was, just seemed like it was there purely for the trailer.
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Since my wife and I have been living out of a suitcase for two and a half months, I have not been able to illegally download the new star trek flick from PirateBay, so I have not seen it.

The previous one was OK. just OK. It really had nothing to do with Star Trek and could just as easily have been called "Space Cadets" or something equally stupid. I HATE the lensflares. HATE THEM They make no sense scientifically, nor visually. lens flares occur ONLY when looking through a LENS. normal human sight does not see lens flares, and even with glasses, which I have worn since age 3, there are NO LENS FLARES.
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Same as the brief underwear shot of Alice Eve which, as nice as it was, just seemed like it was there purely for the trailer.

yes and no-- see, roddenberry was a horny mofo, and kirk was a horny mofo, always banging green ladies.

this was the equivalent of alice eve back in the 60s

 


we just live in slightly more perverted times

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Since my wife and I have been living out of a suitcase for two and a half months, I have not been able to illegally download the new star trek flick from PirateBay, so I have not seen it.

was released 8 days ago. you can get it from red box.

it's basically just an action thing.
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we just live in slightly more perverted times


If only we did. Green women are interesting, whereas Alice Eve in bra and panties is simply boring.
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If only we did. Green women are interesting, whereas Alice Eve in bra and panties is simply boring.

but zoe saldaña is FANTASTIC.
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where's the fun in that?

better picture

special effects movies need the extra boost.

if you didn't like the first one though i wouldn't bother with the second one.
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