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Old 07.21.2013, 05:17 PM   #17281
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"Bullhead" is not the most uplifting movie, that's for sure haha. I'd say, yes its a downer. I still think its great.

Haha. Thanks. I'd heard it's excellent but I seem to really struggle with downer movies right now.
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Old 07.21.2013, 05:23 PM   #17282
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Haha. Thanks. I'd heard it's excellent but I seem to really struggle with downer movies right now.

holy mother of fuck. try watching "a separation" one of these days. UNFUCKINGBEARABLE! yes, yes, it won many awards, but when i watch i just wanna kill everyone in it and the guy who made it. as close to living in iran as i can imagine-- and that-- i just don't wanna fucking do that, i don't came how many golden palms/bears/whatever trophies that shit has won. my life is not long enough to spend the 2, 3 hours that it takes to watch it (i watched half and it felt like FOREVER).

speaking of long slow movies, about to watch (i think) antonioni's "red desert".
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Old 07.21.2013, 05:42 PM   #17283
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The Red Desert is definitely slow but it's not bleak in the way that I assumed Bullhead to be. I don't mind the more existential(?) bleakness that I associate with the likes of Antonioni but I really can't handle extreme violence anymore, at least in any kind of realistic way. I'll happily watch a John Woo movie or a series like Miami Vice or anything highly stylised like that, but when it starts to feel overtly 'real', I can't seem to handle it anymore. I watched Walter Hill's Last Man Standing the other night, which has to be about as violent as a Hollywood movie could be, but it's so stylised that it didn't bother me at all. I loved it in fact.

For years those more bleak/visceral movies were the very kind that I gravitated towards but they now just leave me a bit too depressed. Same with literature. I tried to reread Last Exit to Brooklyn recently (for years one of my very fave novels) but I couldn't seem to get past more than a few pages of it. I could handle Blood Meridian, though, just because it was so extreme and so alien from anything I could possibly experience or relate to that it didn't really bother me.
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Old 07.22.2013, 02:02 AM   #17284
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The Red Desert is definitely slow but it's not bleak in the way that I assumed Bullhead to be. I don't mind the more existential(?) bleakness that I associate with the likes of Antonioni but I really can't handle extreme violence anymore, at least in any kind of realistic way. I'll happily watch a John Woo movie or a series like Miami Vice or anything highly stylised like that, but when it starts to feel overtly 'real', I can't seem to handle it anymore. I watched Walter Hill's Last Man Standing the other night, which has to be about as violent as a Hollywood movie could be, but it's so stylised that it didn't bother me at all. I loved it in fact.

For years those more bleak/visceral movies were the very kind that I gravitated towards but they now just leave me a bit too depressed. Same with literature. I tried to reread Last Exit to Brooklyn recently (for years one of my very fave novels) but I couldn't seem to get past more than a few pages of it. I could handle Blood Meridian, though, just because it was so extreme and so alien from anything I could possibly experience or relate to that it didn't really bother me.

As my fav book of all time this bothers me. Yeah it's bleak...but...but it's so good! If you want bleak (or not) then try The Room by him.
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Old 07.22.2013, 05:55 AM   #17285
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Bullhead is on my list of stuff to see, sometimes I want bleakness and misery.

A Separation was the most subtly handled and intelligent depiction of divorce I've seen in any film or TV thing ever, totally reminded me of how much it sucks being a child caught up in that type of shit, but in a good way. I'd highly recommend About Elly the other film from that director that has made it as far as being translated.

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Old 07.22.2013, 06:20 AM   #17286
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Old 07.22.2013, 07:22 AM   #17287
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As my fav book of all time this bothers me. Yeah it's bleak...but...but it's so good! If you want bleak (or not) then try The Room by him.

I've read The Room. I've read all his novels. You'd have to agree, though, that they're not something you can read in any mood and I suppose I just haven't been in the right mood to read them for a little while now. I'd never criticise any of them, though.
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Old 07.23.2013, 11:12 AM   #17288
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Oh I also watched Mike Leigh's lighthearted comedy about the every day lives of a working class family in London, titled "Life is Sweet". David Thewlis is great in a minor role. His wistfully haunting performance in Leigh's "Naked" is one of my favorites of all time.

I don't know how you could interpret a film like Naked as being wistful.
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Old 07.23.2013, 11:15 AM   #17289
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It's my favorite by Waters I think.


Seriously????

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Silverado

It's a western. It's got Kevin Costner in it. So I loved it.

I spontaneously cheered at the bit of the movie at the end of this clip
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Old 07.23.2013, 11:43 AM   #17290
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"Wistfully I raped a Manchester lass in an alley, before absconding from the North in a stolen car, lest I meet vindication at the hands of Her Majestys Constabulary.

Arriving in the capital, homeless, broke and with no prospects or employment, I wistfully spent the night sleeping rough outside the abode of an acquaintance. And what luck, for her fellow lodger appeared 'pon the ninth hour of the morn and invited my shivering person into her dining chambers.

After the wistful consumption of refreshments my female acquaintance arrived and we discussed the matter of our last engagement. As I was feeling rather wistful I then embarked on a long, bleak existential ramble, which resulted in a rather wistful public assault by a band of intransigent hooligans. Wistfully, I retreated back to my lady friends abode where I found the lodger that had so pleasantly entertained me before midday had been herself raped by an uncouth financier with a penchant for a white crystallized alkaloid substance derived from the common cocoa leaf."
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Old 07.23.2013, 11:44 AM   #17291
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If you don't like Pink Flamingoes then yeah, I guess you could prefer his later stuff. He's been on a downward slide for me though ever since Divine and David Lochary died.
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Old 07.23.2013, 11:55 AM   #17292
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plus he got old and quit smoking and went mainstream and... egh! his best period was by far the 70s (multiple maniacs/pink flamingos/female trouble/desperate living) and throw in polyester for the last divine film. for those achievements he should be eternally worshipped. the rest is a downward spiral. i think hairspray marked the beginning of the end. i did like cecil b. demented though. but i remember when i went to see... what's the name of it... the one about the perverts (i forget the name, with tracy ullman) i felt a little sad for him. he hasn't made a movie since but instead he took hairspray to broadway-- well, good for the broadway public, but not my thing.
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Old 07.23.2013, 12:57 PM   #17293
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I thought Pecker was cool, but more of an artsy thang than the bizarre stuff Waters did in the 70's
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Old 07.23.2013, 01:19 PM   #17294
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Pecker actually was kind of cool, I enjoyed it. It was a more fitting roll for EddieFurlong than that tough-guy kid he was casted from T2 through American History X.. Arsty nerd seems more like him.. Then again, that was skinny, younger Eddie, now?


 

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Old 07.23.2013, 02:53 PM   #17295
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plus he got old and quit smoking and went mainstream and... egh! his best period was by far the 70s (multiple maniacs/pink flamingos/female trouble/desperate living) and throw in polyester for the last divine film. for those achievements he should be eternally worshipped. the rest is a downward spiral. i think hairspray marked the beginning of the end. i did like cecil b. demented though. but i remember when i went to see... what's the name of it... the one about the perverts (i forget the name, with tracy ullman) i felt a little sad for him. he hasn't made a movie since but instead he took hairspray to broadway-- well, good for the broadway public, but not my thing.

My thoughts exactly. Polyester was the last JW's film I really loved.

I think the Tracy Ullman one you're thinking of is A Dirty Shame, which I really didn't like at all.
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I thought Pecker was cool, but more of an artsy thang than the bizarre stuff Waters did in the 70's

pecker was cute and a nice dig on the art world, but yeah, no massive transgressions. it has some funny parts--


 

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My thoughts exactly. Polyester was the last JW's film I really loved.

I think the Tracy Ullman one you're thinking of is A Dirty Shame, which I really didn't like at all.


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Old 07.23.2013, 05:25 PM   #17297
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If you look at his post divine stuff as if it was made by a different director then it is good (i.e. light hearted fun) in its own right. But if you compare pre and post divine they don't hold up so well.
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I like John Waters' "Cecil B. Demented", its a satire on both the Hollywood community and the independent film community as well as taking digs at his younger self, and poking fun of the whole Patty Hearst/SLA situation. I think its his most fully realized film. He seems bored with movies now, which explains why he hasn't made one since "A Dirty Shame".
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I like John Waters' "Cecil B. Demented", its a satire on both the Hollywood community and the independent film community as well as taking digs at his younger self, and poking fun of the whole Patty Hearst/SLA situation. I think its his most fully realized film. He seems bored with movies now, which explains why he hasn't made one since "A Dirty Shame".

i really like that movie, i had a good laugh and enjoy the whole thing (especially the "maryland film commission"), but it's like t&b said-- 2 different directors: one mind-blowing and the other good.
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I think it's awesome how much John Waters can cross reference other movies of his in his own movies. I've listened to most of the commentary tracks. so it's no wonder I'm aware of this.

there is an R rated version of A Dirty Shame
I would not recommend this version. watch the NC-17 version
the R one is funny but boring. and not "the same" movie

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