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Old 03.09.2013, 04:14 AM   #17201
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I can understand that. I wouldn't say Bunuel is for everyone, but he's up there (in my opinion) as one of the best directors of all time. L’Age d’or, The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie, Viridiana are some of my favorites.

I like Bunuel too and agree that he's up there with the greats. I've just never been able to get into Belle De Jour.

Back to Colo(u)r of Money, besides Paul Newman's performance, I love the dialogue, which was written by probably my favourite contemporary novelist, Richard Price (The Wanderers, Bloodbrothers, Clockers, etc). He's regularly called on by Hollywood to provide gritty, streetwise dialogue and sometimes writes for The Wire and is probably the only screenwriter today that I actively follow. If he's involved, even a crappy movie (say American Gangster) is guaranteed to have a few great lines. Very much a dive bar Billy Wilder.

 
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Old 03.09.2013, 09:38 AM   #17202
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Old 03.09.2013, 09:38 AM   #17203
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I heard about a new documentary on Jim Baker and the source family (http://vimeo.com/58953915 | http://thesourcedoc.com/) and found out this series of interviews.
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Old 03.09.2013, 10:07 AM   #17204
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Not everything Bunuel made is available, but of the dozen or so I've seen, none have disappointed. Oh, I suppose he repeats his themes a lot, particularly male jealousy, but big whoop.
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Zero Dark Thirty was so much better the second time. Kind of genius in its own way. First time, I thought it was cold and devoid of normal human emotion. Now I see that as its strength. Almost any other director would've made it more pulse-pounding and "action-y", and I think it took great control to simply tell the story without jerking the audience around.

Anyone else see it?
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Old 03.10.2013, 04:31 AM   #17205
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@demonrail I'll have to look into more Richard Price.

I also want to watch Zero Dark Thirty.

 


Honestly, I was really moved by this film. Adam Sandler is actually very good here in my opinion.
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Old 03.10.2013, 08:33 AM   #17206
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i forgot who the fuck didn't like it (apparently tons of people, judging by the imdb ratings) but this shit was brilliant, gorgeous, extraordinary, delicious---

 


cosmopolis

really, i think i get why so many people don't like it-- you have to be familiar with, or at least amenable to cronenberg's language, methods, obsessions. it pulls elements from things as far away as existenz and the italian machine (one of his early shorts) and dead ringers and crash...

it's "heavy" too-- it demands you think instead of just see--add some jazz drums and intertitles and it could be masculin-feminin (ha).

fantastic. extraordinary. i enjoyed it immensely. i want to watch it again right now.
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Old 03.10.2013, 08:34 AM   #17207
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K so I think one thing we all seem to agree on is Scorcese rules. So top 5 films by him?

In no order for me it's

1)Taxi Driver
2)Raging Bull
3)King Of Comedy
4)Shutter Island
5)Mean Streets

It's admittedly De Niro heavy but bite me. Two notable mentions for me is The Departed and Kundun.
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Old 03.10.2013, 08:41 AM   #17208
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i didn't like the departed. but goodfellas should be in his top 5 i think.
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1. Last Temptation of Christ
2. Kundun
3. Aviator
4. A Personal Journey with Martin Scorsese Through American Movies
5. (A fan edit of New York, New York could be really good)
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Old 03.10.2013, 10:58 AM   #17210
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cosmopolis

really, i think i get why so many people don't like it-- you have to be familiar with, or at least amenable to cronenberg's language, methods, obsessions. it pulls elements from things as far away as existenz and the italian machine (one of his early shorts) and dead ringers and crash...

it's "heavy" too-- it demands you think instead of just see--add some jazz drums and intertitles and it could be masculin-feminin (ha).

fantastic. extraordinary. i enjoyed it immensely. i want to watch it again right now.

I hate that film with a passion.

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K so I think one thing we all seem to agree on is Scorcese rules. So top 5 films by him?


1. Mean Streets
2. Taxi Driver
3. Goodfellas
4. Raging Bull
5. Colour of Money
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One thing I can understand when it comes to people disliking Cosmopolis correlates with something like 2001: A Space Odyssey, where the characters seem cold and flat... sometimes even cruel. I personally think the film is really good, but I totally understand that the characters are only that way because the director chose to portray them that way. I think if one looks deep enough, they'll find that there's a perfectly good reason for it. I think I like the novel a bit more though.

As for Scorsese,

I think his best films are probably Mean Streets and Kundun, but my personal favorites in order would be:

1. Taxi Driver
2. Mean Streets
3. The King of Comedy
4. The Color of Money
5. Raging Bull
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I hate that film with a passion.

haaa haaa haaa

i can see how you could hate the characters, but they are what they are-- the ultimate sociopathic one percenter and his various minions/associates.

it all made perfect sense to me, it even felt a bit of a cyberpunk movie (minus the punk part), the unreal everything of it, perfect, very don de lillo, very cronenberg also, brilliant.

if anything the only part that felt a bit off to me was the last one, the one with harvey pekar, or whatever he's called. which is the only part that people who hate the movie seem to have liked. to me it was the opposite, it was a slight letdown, a bit obvious, after all that otherwordliness to end up in that random grime and the predictable employee with a grudge, but eh, the dialogue throughout the film was poetry to my ears, what can i say, i'm a sucker for conversation movies.

e.g.:

"your prostate is asymmetrical"
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Old 03.11.2013, 05:44 AM   #17213
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As you say, there was something inevitable about Cronenberg adapting a DeLillo novel; they do seem like kindred spirits in lots of ways. It's interesting that you're drawn to the dialogue, though. I like DeLillo a lot but that's a side of his writing I really struggle with. Great ideas and amazing descriptions but he does that thing where his characters don't so much speak to each other as make statements. I'm sure it fits with his overall message and can apprecate how it might work conceptually, it just really grates on me, and it seems that Cronenberg stuck pretty close to DeLillo's dialogue.
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Old 03.11.2013, 08:26 AM   #17214
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Old 03.11.2013, 10:23 AM   #17215
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As you say, there was something inevitable about Cronenberg adapting a DeLillo novel; they do seem like kindred spirits in lots of ways. It's interesting that you're drawn to the dialogue, though. I like DeLillo a lot but that's a side of his writing I really struggle with. Great ideas and amazing descriptions but he does that thing where his characters don't so much speak to each other as make statements. I'm sure it fits with his overall message and can apprecate how it might work conceptually, it just really grates on me, and it seems that Cronenberg stuck pretty close to DeLillo's dialogue.


haaa haaa yes!! i remember you saying how much you hate his dialogue. which again i can understand-- it is as you say, not natural speech but statement-making. i think a lot of people of his era do/did stuff like that, try to jam some sort of philosophical shit to inform their novels because the novel had been declared dead and they had to try something so they turned to "theory". so you have people like kundera or julian barnes or what was the name of that playwright with the chaos in the english garden? i forget. in any case, yes, it's theory, disguised as novel or drama, but where i find julian barnes's moralizing extremely irritating i find delillo speaking through his stiff masks highly entertaining. the sense of alienation/otherwordliness i get from him is wonderful: i "get" it, not that i claim i "understand" it, but i catch his mental illness temporarily, and for me it's an enjoyable ride, like one of those comfy fevers one has to take in bed with a pile of comic books. calvino does the same thing to me by the way, now that i think of it (except calvino is harder to enter). i rant too much this morning, i am procrastinating urgent work, i should temporarily flee but thanks for the ear.
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not sure if this counts but just finished watching "citizens of cosmopolis" which is the documentary on the "making of" cosmoposlis and its fucking sensational. damn, i love those people, particularly the crew. looks like such a great place to work.

on a hilarious note, i wasn't aware that the actor guy is the one from "twilight". mainly because twilight doesn't register in my radar except as laughable tv commercials and vague pop culture references. but good on him, for doing this. good actor too. and is juliette binoche getting hotter with age? please say it is so... she was smoldering. ANyWAY, good fun, good fun. if i could own this blu-ray i probably would, but i never buy movies. maybe i'll just keep it around longer till its magic is fully spent and i can return it.
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The Silence (1963)

So this is probably my favorite Bergman film. I love Bergman's use of sound in this. I immediately noticed in the beginning how the sound of the train was a lot lower than the dialogue was. I'm only assuming that was intentional, and it illustrated an image of the train hovering above the ground in my head. It only added to the strangeness, much like the claustrophobic scenes in the hotel affixed to the film. The same young boy from Bergman's "Persona" (the boy in the picture above) plays a very important role here, and symbolizes the only ounce of curiosity among the three individuals that arrive in the unspecified town. I guess the two older women who accompany the boy are his mother and his aunt. This is never clarified one hundred percent, especially from the ostensible jealousy displayed by one of the female characters when the other is making out with a stranger in bed.

It's a very interesting relationship between all three of the main characters. Bergman even introduces the "circus act", which consists of dwarfs, as they appear much more at ease with themselves than the people who poke fun at them. It's amazing how despite this film being gloomy and morose, the amount of hope at the very end that the little boy is responsible for is quite vast. It reminds me a little bit of the 60's films of Antonioni, where the characters are surrounded by a setting that's alien to them, and contributes to their downward spiral. The film looks gorgeous, especially the opening scene on the train. The team of Sven Nykvist and Ingmar Bergman never disappoints me.
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