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Old 11.01.2012, 04:04 PM   #16401
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i think you missed the point of the movie

it's about frustration and wanting what you can never have

it's meant to be endlessly sad

and in that way it's as good as movies get

the director is not some optimistic american who thinks that the good guys win in the end

thank fuck for that
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Old 11.01.2012, 07:23 PM   #16402
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I agree. It's a film I admire a lot but find more difficult to enjoy than most of his other films. Lack of humour isn't a problem it just feels unusually heavy for a Wong Kar Wai movie. I'm a fan of his but think he's much better with more lighthearted stuff like Chung King Express or Fallen Angel.

Does some of my fave endings/credits, too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rgTRTVRf7s From about 3 mins in.
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Old 11.02.2012, 07:01 AM   #16403
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Old 11.02.2012, 08:35 AM   #16404
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I understood that just fine, what I said was more of a personal thing. I think the film is great, but too, um... discouraging to me to put on at any time and enjoy it. I'd have to be in a particular mood, because there literally is no humor at all from what I remember. Not a flaw or anything wrong with Kar Wai's vision, I just thought I'd mention it I suppose.

well yeah it's not everyone's favorite sunday movie-- it's not like you put on kieslowski or michael haneke on for laughs either, do you?

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it just feels unusually heavy for a Wong Kar Wai movie. [...] more lighthearted stuff like Chung King Express
he's a heavy melancholy fucker. maybe i remember chunking express differently but there's the sad cops and a sad maggie cheung. 2046? beautiful movie but won't leave anyone laughing.

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Old 11.02.2012, 10:01 AM   #16405
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well yeah it's not everyone's favorite sunday movie-- it's not like you put on kieslowski or michael haneke on for laughs either, do you?

he's a heavy melancholy fucker. maybe i remember chunking express differently but there's the sad cops and a sad maggie cheung.

Chung King Express does have sad cops etc but I maintain that it has a light centre. That's its genius and Wong Kar Wai seems to be one of the few directors capable of pulling it off. Kieslowski and Haneke can do the in your face miserable thing brilliantly, so it's never a problem. The issue isn't with heavy vs light but that some directors excel in certain areas but not others. Antonioni's no less a director cos he couldn't do slapstick, any more than Mack Sennet shouldn't be criticised cos he couldn't make L'avventura. Xavi's a genius but you wouldn't stick him in goal.
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Old 11.02.2012, 10:06 AM   #16406
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Chung King Express does have sad cops etc but I maintain that it has a light centre. That's its genius and Wong Kar Wai seems to be one of the few directors capable of pulling it off. Kieslowski and Haneke can do the in your face miserable thing brilliantly, so it's never a problem. The issue isn't with heavy vs light but that some directors excel in certain areas but not others. Antonioni's no less a director cos he couldn't do slapstick, any more than Mack Sennet shouldn't be criticised cos he couldn't make L'avventura. Xavi's a genius but you wouldn't stick him in goal.

right, but in the mood for love is a fucking fantastic, gorgeous movie that needs nothing except a good screen and an audience.
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Old 11.02.2012, 10:19 AM   #16407
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Old 11.02.2012, 10:31 AM   #16408
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Old 11.02.2012, 10:43 AM   #16409
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Old 11.02.2012, 10:48 AM   #16410
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Old 11.03.2012, 09:24 AM   #16411
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I thought this movie would be an ass kicking cliche, and that I would walk away satisfied, with my brain completely turned off.
Actually, though, it's nothing of the sort. It is heart breaking and far more layered that it appears to be (probably more than it intends to be even).

Liam Nieson's character curses God in one of the most moving and uncannily true to life movie moments in my recent memory. I've never heard anyone call the almighty a "fraudulent mother-fucker" in such a real and relatable way. It made me tear up a bit, actually.

Public and critical opinion unanimously agrees that it's adrenaline fueled rubbish, which reinforces my theory that most people need more exposure to social and religious philosophy, psychodynamic thought, and the basics of symbolism and allegory.

"Yeah right, wolves don't do that! Bad movie cuz not scientifically or zoologically accurate!!!" shut the fuck up, and go give Avatar 5 stars again, shithead.
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Old 11.03.2012, 02:01 PM   #16412
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Old 11.03.2012, 09:21 PM   #16413
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Watched this again and liked it even more. It was probably a bit overrated when it came out but the resulting backlash seemed to go way too far in the opposite direction. It's not perfect by any means but it's becoming one of my favourites from the past few years.
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Old 11.03.2012, 09:49 PM   #16414
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I thought this movie would be an ass kicking cliche, and that I would walk away satisfied, with my brain completely turned off.
Actually, though, it's nothing of the sort. It is heart breaking and far more layered that it appears to be (probably more than it intends to be even).

Liam Nieson's character curses God in one of the most moving and uncannily true to life movie moments in my recent memory. I've never heard anyone call the almighty a "fraudulent mother-fucker" in such a real and relatable way. It made me tear up a bit, actually.

Public and critical opinion unanimously agrees that it's adrenaline fueled rubbish, which reinforces my theory that most people need more exposure to social and religious philosophy, psychodynamic thought, and the basics of symbolism and allegory.

"Yeah right, wolves don't do that! Bad movie cuz not scientifically or zoologically accurate!!!" shut the fuck up, and go give Avatar 5 stars again, shithead.

You definitely make it sound more interesting than the other reviews I've read, which'd pretty much lead to me ignoring it. I'll look out for it now though, out of pure curiosity.
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Old 11.04.2012, 11:50 AM   #16415
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You definitely make it sound more interesting than the other reviews I've read, which'd pretty much lead to me ignoring it. I'll look out for it now though, out of pure curiosity.

Yeah, you should. I'm no film expert, but I am pretty picky about movies, and generally a harsh critic. I think the movie got a bad wrap. On the other hand, I may be going overboard with my interpretation ( thank the psychoanalytic film theory classes I took for kicks in college) but I thought Liam's performance was incredible. Oscar nod worthy at the very least.

I think people's interpretations of films are clouded by their perception of the genre. Survival movies and "animals go crazy" flicks both tend to be pretty tepid and shallow, so I think the good ones are written off pretty easily. This one is different. To me anyway. Let me know your thoughts if/when you see it.
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Old 11.04.2012, 01:14 PM   #16416
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I thought this movie would be an ass kicking cliche, and that I would walk away satisfied, with my brain completely turned off.
Actually, though, it's nothing of the sort. It is heart breaking and far more layered that it appears to be (probably more than it intends to be even).

Liam Nieson's character curses God in one of the most moving and uncannily true to life movie moments in my recent memory. I've never heard anyone call the almighty a "fraudulent mother-fucker" in such a real and relatable way. It made me tear up a bit, actually.

Public and critical opinion unanimously agrees that it's adrenaline fueled rubbish, which reinforces my theory that most people need more exposure to social and religious philosophy, psychodynamic thought, and the basics of symbolism and allegory.

"Yeah right, wolves don't do that! Bad movie cuz not scientifically or zoologically accurate!!!" shut the fuck up, and go give Avatar 5 stars again, shithead.

i went to see tis movie because i wanted to see liam neeson punch a wolf in the face, which NEVER happened. your review is dead on though, the movie was just not what i was expecting. also there were too many scenes that dragged because of emotions that are moronic. an example would when the one dude is dying and it's about a ten minute scene with everyone else crying and being pussies...dude's fuckin' done for! move on goddammit!
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Old 11.04.2012, 02:07 PM   #16417
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i went to see tis movie because i wanted to see liam neeson punch a wolf in the face, which NEVER happened. your review is dead on though, the movie was just not what i was expecting. also there were too many scenes that dragged because of emotions that are moronic. an example would when the one dude is dying and it's about a ten minute scene with everyone else crying and being pussies...dude's fuckin' done for! move on goddammit!

In the plane? Great scene.

But not as good as:

"I'm gonna start beatin' the shit out'a you in about five seconds, and yer gonna be swallowing a lotta fuckin' blood over a fuckin billfold if you don't put that wallet down right fucking now!"
[see realization on guy's face that he's fucking with the wrong mick as he backs away like child and obeys, pants freshly pissed]
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Old 11.04.2012, 04:42 PM   #16418
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Old 11.05.2012, 05:41 AM   #16419
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How is this? still haven't seen it. It looks promising.

yeah pretty good, plenty of gore and ridiculousness as usual!

watched this one last night

 
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