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Old 10.14.2012, 06:21 AM   #16321
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Just finished watching this and it's really my favorite thing I've seen by Anderson. All four of the main roles delivered and it tells an excellent little crime story. I love how it's neither too long or too short, it feels just right. I say this because I often find that his films sort of drag. Not sure why I neglected this for so long but thanks to demonrail for encouraging me to check this out. The father/son thing he seems to play around with in his work is most powerful in Hard Eight I think.

YES!!!!! Brilliant film! I've a feeling PTA himself isn't that big a fan, that it wasn't quite the film he wanted to make, but it's close to perfect for me. Philip Baker Hall and John Reilly are fantastic together. And I love Gwyneth Paltrow in it, too - although I'm becoming a bigger fan of her the more films I see her in (being largely put off in the beginning by stuff like Shakespeare in Love). I also just love the whole dead-end Vegas feel to it all. I've still yet to see The Master (not released here until next month) and would probably count Magnolia as his great artistic achievement but Hard Eight is the one I could watch over and over again just for the sheer pleasure of it. A mini masterpiece that, if I were to redo my all-time top ten, I'd be hard pressed not to include it. And while we all know how great an actor Philip Seymour Hoffman is, John Reilly is maybe my favourite working acting at the moment. He has a face I could watch forever. Either way, both of them are making a mockery of all those claims that 'they don't make 'em like that anymore'. Both of them would've been incredible in any era.

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Old 10.14.2012, 12:29 PM   #16322
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Old 10.14.2012, 05:58 PM   #16323
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Does everyone know Anderson wanted HARD EIGHT to be a three hour epic?

Studio execs intervened. It's a chamber piece after all.

Anderson was pissed, but he had no clout, so the little gem is what we got. The execs were right, I suspect.

What a fucking ego on that guy.
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Old 10.14.2012, 06:09 PM   #16324
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Old 10.17.2012, 07:42 AM   #16325
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okay, so, funny story, i tried watching this again, this time we weren't sleepy, but about an hour into the movie and with 20-some minutes to go i went "oh, im tired," and turned off the thing and went to sleep. yes i will finish watching it another time i'm sure, i am a curious person after all, and there were scenes and moments that were great here ( like that weird-ass boy in the beach) but in general the movie doesn't do it for me the way that i couldn't turn off "scenes from a marriage," for example (this movie reminded me of that tv series with the weird interaction of the couple).
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Old 10.17.2012, 01:14 PM   #16326
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Oh well. It's one of my favorites of all time. I guess Bergman has that effect on viewers. Some people find Cries and Whispers a hypnotizing masterpiece and others think it's the most exhausting and torturous thing to sit through. Hour of the Wolf to me is his most dreamlike film. He creates an unsettling mood and does a fine job of placing the hallucinatory scenes so that they almost correlate with reality. I find something agitating about Bergman's use of the camera during the dinner scene... where it's constantly jumping around from face to face and Max Von Sydow's brilliant performance adds to that tension.

So last night I watched:

 


Beautiful colorful film by the master himself. The scenes at the park are just gorgeous. I loved the sounds of leaves moving around in the wind and how there's a long period in that scene without any dialogue. The set designs that Antonioni constructed for the photo shoots were astonishing. The mimed tennis game at the end is perhaps the most powerful ending I've seen and nearly made me want to cry... despite not even knowing what the scene meant.

Bloody girl. It's a good film but not that good.
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Old 10.17.2012, 04:42 PM   #16327
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I think it is.

Thomas: [seeing Verushka, the model, at a party the evening of the day she had just told the photographer that he'd better hurry because she had to catch a plane to Paris] I thought you were supposed to be in Paris.
Verushka: [taking a toke of her marijuana cigarette] I *am* in Paris!


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I think it is.

Thomas: [seeing Verushka, the model, at a party the evening of the day she had just told the photographer that he'd better hurry because she had to catch a plane to Paris] I thought you were supposed to be in Paris.
Verushka: [taking a toke of her marijuana cigarette] I *am* in Paris!

Well I think it isn't.
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Old 10.17.2012, 06:39 PM   #16329
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I agree with H8kudrt. I certainly don't hate it but bits of it just make me cringe, like when David Hemmings gets Vanessa Redgrave stoned and plays her jazz. It's dated quite badly, I think.
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Old 10.18.2012, 11:28 AM   #16330
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The mimed tennis game at the end is perhaps the most powerful ending I've seen and nearly made me want to cry... despite not even knowing what the scene meant.

It's obviously open to endless interpretation but the best or most convincing one that I've heard is that by picking up the invisible ball, he's finally succumbed to the absurdity of the era. Although he was arguably as much a part of it from the word go.

To be honest, the anti-Blow Up thing (if we can call it that) seems more a British thing, just as most people I've met who don't like Zabriskie Point (which I really like) are American. There's a sense that outside Italy, Antonioni was a bit too much of a tourist, not really getting the details right and a bit in awe of it all. I actually know a couple of people who had minor parts in Blow Up, mostly in the party scene, and they weren't that convinced that Antonioni really 'got' the world they represented at all. General consensus is that Performance was a far more accurate and insightful portrayal of the whole Swinging London thing. I'm too young to really comment but certainly Performance feels more in tune with that time than Blow Up does - perhaps because Donald Cammell, Jagger, Anita Pallenberg, etc were very much a part of that scene. And maybe Antonioni's style just wasn't really suited to the subject-matter. Given what he did in films like Roma, Satyricon and obviously La Dolce Vita, perhaps Fellini would've been a better choice to direct it.
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It's a good film but not that good.


it IS fucking great. here what critix sei:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowup#Critical

yes. yes it is, in many ways.


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I agree with H8kudrt. I certainly don't hate it but bits of it just make me cringe, like when David Hemmings gets Vanessa Redgrave stoned and plays her jazz. It's dated quite badly, I think.


so is everything that was ever written or made! from don quijote to daydream nation.
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The Yardbirds scene in Blow-Up is a stand-out, in my opinion.

The object (a broken guitar neck) only has value when others want it. Once that's gone, not even the owner of the object gives a shit about it. At least that's how I interpret the scene. Not sure how it fits into the rest of the film, but speculate away please.

By the way, I can't resist being a jerk: I would've been one of those in the crowd at Cannes yelling "Cut!" during that awful cure-for-insomnia called L'Aventura.
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By the way, I can't resist being a jerk: I would've been one of those in the crowd at Cannes yelling "Cut!" during that awful cure-for-insomnia called L'Aventura.

haa haaa haaa

i finally liked l'avventura like the 3rd time i watched it

it creates its own world and sets of expectations, so it's very demanding on the viewer. once you allow it to dictate to you "how to watch a movie" it's quite enjoyable.
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Old 10.18.2012, 02:51 PM   #16335
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it IS fucking great. here what critix sei:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowup#Critical

yes. yes it is, in many ways.





so is everything that was ever written or made! from don quijote to daydream nation.

Dated has nothing to do with being of its age, which is inevitable, but being stuck in, and only relevant to it. Films like L'avventura, L'Eclisse, La Notte are clearly of their time but also manage to feel current in a way that I just don't think Blow Up does. It'll never be anything other than a 'sixties film', for me, which is something I'd never say about films Antonioni made earlier in that same decade.

And seriously, that you consider L'avventura 'quite enjoyable' while calling Blow Up 'great' is akin to preferring the wrong Ronaldo. I'm sorry, it just is.

Either way, just rewatched

 


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Brilliant. etc.
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Old 10.18.2012, 02:58 PM   #16336
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Honest human drama and concerns are never dated. That is why shakespeare, Cervantes, Melville, Etc are all still read and loved.

If by dated you mean OUTdated then yes, everything eventually becomes that, but dated in art really refers more to relevance, to the personal relevance of the struggle or the story or the humor in the work.

Sonic Youth will never seem dated in either way I think. They were never big enough to be assimilated into mainstream culture by the masses, and no other bands took the SY sonic approach and got super famous with it.

I think things get dated more when they are too specific of their time. However, once the memory of that time leaves the collective consciousness, then it can be rediscovered based on it's own values.

the same tyhing happend with Bach, sho was alomost willfuly ignored for several hundred years after his death, having been too big an influence on what came after. It took time for people to truly rediscover the magic Bach wrote.
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it IS fucking great. here what critix sei:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowup#Critical

yes. yes it is, in many ways.





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Oh well then! If they say it's good then i'll have to agree. The critics make out North By Northwest was the best thing sonce sliced bread but I sure as hell aint gonna agree with them.

ANYWAY!

 

Re-watching this in a mo. I lent it to a guy at work. I knew he wouldn't like it but he hated it. His main reasons being 1)it didn't make sense and 2)nothing was explained at the end. Brilliant.

I tried to explain to him that films shouldn't have to have everything explained in a tidy box with a bow on it. They can leave things open and let the viewer think for themselves. He didn't buy it. He said that films have to have a story and then used a god awful metaphor "it's like having a novel and only having pictures" <- my face right after that. That put the idea of me lending him Tarkovsky's film Mirror out! Oh and he said that nothing happened in the film. Fail.

I asked him what his fav film of all time was to which he said Shawshank Redemption. That said it all for me. Don't get me wrong it's a good film but is it THAT good? Non.
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Don't get me wrong it's a good film but is it THAT good? Non.

Yeah, I've never understood what it is about that film for it to be so many people's favourite.
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Prometheus. Finally. And it was about 10 times better than I had expected. Why would anyone be disappointed by this movie?

As far as big budget blockbusters that take an obsurdly long time to make, it kicks Avatar's ass, and offers more proof that Ridley Scott is, always has been, and always will be better than Cameron.
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Oh well then! If they say it's good then i'll have to agree. The critics make out North By Northwest was the best thing sonce sliced bread but I sure as hell aint gonna agree with them.

ANYWAY!

 

Re-watching this in a mo. I lent it to a guy at work. I knew he wouldn't like it but he hated it. His main reasons being 1)it didn't make sense and 2)nothing was explained at the end. Brilliant.

I tried to explain to him that films shouldn't have to have everything explained in a tidy box with a bow on it. They can leave things open and let the viewer think for themselves. He didn't buy it. He said that films have to have a story and then used a god awful metaphor "it's like having a novel and only having pictures" <- my face right after that. That put the idea of me lending him Tarkovsky's film Mirror out! Oh and he said that nothing happened in the film. Fail.

I asked him what his fav film of all time was to which he said Shawshank Redemption. That said it all for me. Don't get me wrong it's a good film but is it THAT good? Non.

Yes. Mulholland Drive. I may be over my Lynch phase at this point, but that movie will never leave me, even if I never see it again.
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