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Old 10.18.2012, 01:21 PM   #16301
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The Yardbirds scene in Blow-Up is a stand-out, in my opinion.

The object (a broken guitar neck) only has value when others want it. Once that's gone, not even the owner of the object gives a shit about it. At least that's how I interpret the scene. Not sure how it fits into the rest of the film, but speculate away please.

By the way, I can't resist being a jerk: I would've been one of those in the crowd at Cannes yelling "Cut!" during that awful cure-for-insomnia called L'Aventura.
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Old 10.18.2012, 01:35 PM   #16302
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By the way, I can't resist being a jerk: I would've been one of those in the crowd at Cannes yelling "Cut!" during that awful cure-for-insomnia called L'Aventura.

haa haaa haaa

i finally liked l'avventura like the 3rd time i watched it

it creates its own world and sets of expectations, so it's very demanding on the viewer. once you allow it to dictate to you "how to watch a movie" it's quite enjoyable.
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Old 10.18.2012, 02:51 PM   #16303
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it IS fucking great. here what critix sei:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowup#Critical

yes. yes it is, in many ways.





so is everything that was ever written or made! from don quijote to daydream nation.

Dated has nothing to do with being of its age, which is inevitable, but being stuck in, and only relevant to it. Films like L'avventura, L'Eclisse, La Notte are clearly of their time but also manage to feel current in a way that I just don't think Blow Up does. It'll never be anything other than a 'sixties film', for me, which is something I'd never say about films Antonioni made earlier in that same decade.

And seriously, that you consider L'avventura 'quite enjoyable' while calling Blow Up 'great' is akin to preferring the wrong Ronaldo. I'm sorry, it just is.

Either way, just rewatched

 


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Old 10.18.2012, 02:58 PM   #16304
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Honest human drama and concerns are never dated. That is why shakespeare, Cervantes, Melville, Etc are all still read and loved.

If by dated you mean OUTdated then yes, everything eventually becomes that, but dated in art really refers more to relevance, to the personal relevance of the struggle or the story or the humor in the work.

Sonic Youth will never seem dated in either way I think. They were never big enough to be assimilated into mainstream culture by the masses, and no other bands took the SY sonic approach and got super famous with it.

I think things get dated more when they are too specific of their time. However, once the memory of that time leaves the collective consciousness, then it can be rediscovered based on it's own values.

the same tyhing happend with Bach, sho was alomost willfuly ignored for several hundred years after his death, having been too big an influence on what came after. It took time for people to truly rediscover the magic Bach wrote.
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Old 10.18.2012, 04:23 PM   #16305
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it IS fucking great. here what critix sei:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowup#Critical

yes. yes it is, in many ways.





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Oh well then! If they say it's good then i'll have to agree. The critics make out North By Northwest was the best thing sonce sliced bread but I sure as hell aint gonna agree with them.

ANYWAY!

 

Re-watching this in a mo. I lent it to a guy at work. I knew he wouldn't like it but he hated it. His main reasons being 1)it didn't make sense and 2)nothing was explained at the end. Brilliant.

I tried to explain to him that films shouldn't have to have everything explained in a tidy box with a bow on it. They can leave things open and let the viewer think for themselves. He didn't buy it. He said that films have to have a story and then used a god awful metaphor "it's like having a novel and only having pictures" <- my face right after that. That put the idea of me lending him Tarkovsky's film Mirror out! Oh and he said that nothing happened in the film. Fail.

I asked him what his fav film of all time was to which he said Shawshank Redemption. That said it all for me. Don't get me wrong it's a good film but is it THAT good? Non.
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Don't get me wrong it's a good film but is it THAT good? Non.

Yeah, I've never understood what it is about that film for it to be so many people's favourite.
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Old 10.18.2012, 07:24 PM   #16307
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Prometheus. Finally. And it was about 10 times better than I had expected. Why would anyone be disappointed by this movie?

As far as big budget blockbusters that take an obsurdly long time to make, it kicks Avatar's ass, and offers more proof that Ridley Scott is, always has been, and always will be better than Cameron.
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Old 10.18.2012, 07:32 PM   #16308
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Oh well then! If they say it's good then i'll have to agree. The critics make out North By Northwest was the best thing sonce sliced bread but I sure as hell aint gonna agree with them.

ANYWAY!

 

Re-watching this in a mo. I lent it to a guy at work. I knew he wouldn't like it but he hated it. His main reasons being 1)it didn't make sense and 2)nothing was explained at the end. Brilliant.

I tried to explain to him that films shouldn't have to have everything explained in a tidy box with a bow on it. They can leave things open and let the viewer think for themselves. He didn't buy it. He said that films have to have a story and then used a god awful metaphor "it's like having a novel and only having pictures" <- my face right after that. That put the idea of me lending him Tarkovsky's film Mirror out! Oh and he said that nothing happened in the film. Fail.

I asked him what his fav film of all time was to which he said Shawshank Redemption. That said it all for me. Don't get me wrong it's a good film but is it THAT good? Non.

Yes. Mulholland Drive. I may be over my Lynch phase at this point, but that movie will never leave me, even if I never see it again.
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Old 10.19.2012, 05:14 PM   #16309
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I've not seen "Prometheus", but I've just heard bad things about it, especially if you love "Alien".
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I've not seen "Prometheus", but I've just heard bad things about it, especially if you love "Alien".

If you're the type of Alien fanboy who has three blurays of AVP and knows the scientific genus types of all the long headed things in Latin, then there will be some frustrating timeline issues (apparently). But, if you love the first movie, watch the second every few years and pretend all the others don't exist, then it's a ripping good flick with a great premise and visuals. There's a theological element to it that I found pretty goddamn cool. What if "God" is a crazy monster that wants to kill us? Made me think of Star Trek V.
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If you're the type of Alien fanboy who has three blurays of AVP and knows the scientific genus types of all the long headed things in Latin, then there will be some frustrating timeline issues (apparently). But, if you love the first movie, watch the second every few years and pretend all the others don't exist, then it's a ripping good flick with a great premise and visuals. There's a theological element to it that I found pretty goddamn cool. What if "God" is a crazy monster that wants to kill us? Made me think of Star Trek V.

I think that's exactly right - although I do like Alien 3 (a lot) and Alien 4 (a bit).
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Old 10.20.2012, 09:25 AM   #16314
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I tried to explain to him that films shouldn't have to have everything explained in a tidy box with a bow on it. They can leave things open and let the viewer think for themselves. He didn't buy it. He said that films have to have a story and then used a god awful metaphor "it's like having a novel and only having pictures" <- my face right after that. That put the idea of me lending him Tarkovsky's film Mirror out! Oh and he said that nothing happened in the film. Fail.

I asked him what his fav film of all time was to which he said Shawshank Redemption. That said it all for me. Don't get me wrong it's a good film but is it THAT good? Non.

If you watch films to watch a story, which is most folks, then he is right. Maul holland falls is one big bag of meaningless bullshit about extremely unlike able people. Boring as FUCK. I hated it like I hate Thomas kinkade's rotting corpse.
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Old 10.20.2012, 05:16 PM   #16315
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It isn't meaningless Rob, I think it's merely your expectations. If you look at it for what it is (a dreamlike work of art about a young ambitious actress and double identities and whatnot) then maybe you'll find meaning from a subjective standpoint. Just because a film challenges the conventional narrative order of telling a story means it's meaningless? I don't understand.

I'm not trying to attack you at all by the way, I'm just curious. If anything, Lynch's work exemplifies the truth that you don't need everything to make sense. Perhaps it's even a reflection of the outside world. Sometimes to find that "meaning" it takes some effort.

I'm not sure how anyone can't be captivated by that theater scene. If you think about it, Mulholland Dr. revolves around an innocent actress searching for stardom in Hollywood. It's amazing how much this film expresses a struggle with self-awareness. I think this is often very much a problem in reality. I also find it compelling how even after the main character is driven towards suicide, the nightmare continues. Lynch is an intuitive artist and one of the best. I think he really absorbs the life around him and expresses it in an honest way that many fail to do.


That theater scene is easily one of my fav. scenes of all time. As much as I dislike the whole hoopla of the Oscar's Naomi Watts should've gotten one for that film.
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Dated has nothing to do with being of its age, which is inevitable, but being stuck in, and only relevant to it. Films like L'avventura, L'Eclisse, La Notte are clearly of their time but also manage to feel current in a way that I just don't think Blow Up does. It'll never be anything other than a 'sixties film', for me, which is something I'd never say about films Antonioni made earlier in that same decade.

And seriously, that you consider L'avventura 'quite enjoyable' while calling Blow Up 'great' is akin to preferring the wrong Ronaldo. I'm sorry, it just is.

ha ha ha -- the wrong ronaldo!

don't be so literal, i judge l'avventura to be the better film, but admit it, it's hard to digest, not easy to like, and it is hard to watch simply because each take lasts for fucking ever. if you let it seep in however you can enjoy it-- it's not like "oh the thrills!" though, it's a quiet deliciousness that makes a lot of demands on the viewer.

regarding blow-up, it's more commercial, more easily entered, but you peel off layers and get to the real meat, and to me it's a great movie. part of it is a sort of period piece, sure, like watching, i don't know, the lion in winter, or spartacus? you know, some historical shit, "life before AiDS". then there's teh whole aspect of the emptiness of the photographer's life which is, you know, surface "awesome" and cool for its day, but pretty horrid and boring and pointless, and more absurd 50 years later. and then there's the whole murder mystery which unlike, say, rear window, isn't a matter of finding the truth from signs, but the signs, being mediated and altered, call into question the whole reality of what is what, and that antonioni took from cortazar, nd las babas del diablo is a great short story.

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Old 10.20.2012, 11:03 PM   #16317
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ha ha ha -- the wrong ronaldo!

don't be so literal, i judge l'avventura to be the better film, but admit it, it's hard to digest, not easy to like, and it is hard to watch simply because each take lasts for fucking ever. if you let it seep in however you can enjoy it-- it's not like "oh the thrills!" though, it's a quiet deliciousness that makes a lot of demands on the viewer.

regarding blow-up, it's more commercial, more easily entered, but you peel off layers and get to the real meat, and to me it's a great movie. part of it is a sort of period piece, sure, like watching, i don't know, the lion in winter, or spartacus? you know, some historical shit, "life before AiDS". then there's teh whole aspect of the emptiness of the photographer's life which is, you know, surface "awesome" and cool for its day, but pretty horrid and boring and pointless, and more absurd 50 years later. and then there's the whole murder mystery which unlike, say, rear window, isn't a matter of finding the truth from signs, but the signs, being mediated and altered, call into question the whole reality of what is what, and that antonioni took from cortazar, nd las babas del diablo is a great short story.

whoa, barca playing w/ weird orange shirts. gtg.

Someone who hasn't been mentioned yet is Monica Vitti, the only actor for me who seemed to get Antonioni instinctively. That's not so important for some directors but I think he's one who did require very specific things from very specific kinds of actors and Vanessa Redgrave and David Hemmings have both admitted to admiring Antonioni but not really understanding what he wanted from them, which I think is a big problem throughout Blow Up, with too many scenes coming over a bit too much like amateur dramatics. Although it's not just the absence of Vitti; he worked ok with Jack Nicholson, but that may be because Nicholson didn't even try to understand him.

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The Dark Knight Rises is "back by popular demand" at some theaters in my area, so of course I said "fuck you, college football" and blew off everything to go see it again, this time in IMAX.

It was tremendous, and I now believe it to be equal in greatness to Dark Knight. Though they are great in different ways, and TDK will be remembered as the soul of the trilogy, Rises is no fucking throwaway third act. All the philosophical quandaries that made the Dark Knight so unforgettable are still there, only they are broadened to a macro-scope.

I wanted to see it again, especially since I finally got the chance to watch Spider-man and Avengers. I wanted to reevaluate it in comparison to the other "summer of superhero" films. Though those movies were both great In their own way, it's Nolan is simply not making a comparable product. He has made a series of films that stand alone, irrespective of genre, and I believe them to be truly brilliant films in general.

They're just not super hero movies. They're movies about morality, identity, and altruism... Issues that are inherently human, and decidedly "non-super."

I couldn't be prouder of these movies. Avengers was a great ride, and Amazing Spider-Man started a much needed correction of past mistakes ( I wish that franchise well; it feels like it could have a lot of potential and I think it did a lot of things right) but TDK trilogy is just a completely different beast.

Excuse me for repeating myself, as I am sure I've said most of this before, but god damn: what an achievement. I really hope the reboot doesn't happen. DC needs to leave this character alone (until Bale is old enough for a "...returns" ) because Batman has been done to perfection. Nobody can or will ever do it better.

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