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Old 09.03.2012, 07:52 AM   #16161
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1- It's one of Delillo's best novels. Why wouldn't you want to read one of Delillo's best novels?

I agree with the first part but what's stopping people reading the book once they've found out about it via the film? I'm sure Delillo will sell more copies now that Cronenberg has adapted it.
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Old 09.03.2012, 08:33 AM   #16162
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DEAR WORLD, FUCK CRONENBERG!


i very much would, but he's a bit flat-chested and probably hairy.

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5- Delillo is an artist. Cronenberg is a profit-maker.


both are artists. you're an message board critic who thinks destitution confers some sort of moral superiority. :P

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READ THE BOOK!

sure! delillo is awesome. i'm glad he's paired up with cronenberg. i can't think of a better director to adapt his books.

i wanna go seeeeee itttttttttt!!!!!!!!! not showing anywhere here. agghhhh.

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also, saw this yesterday:


 


awesome! way funnier than i expected. a pleasant surprise.
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Old 09.03.2012, 09:01 AM   #16163
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I can't think of a better director to adapt his books.

Now that Kubrick's dead, I agree.
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Old 09.03.2012, 09:24 AM   #16164
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If Cronenberg really was only about the money he'd choose a far more bankable novelist to adapt than Delillo.
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Old 09.03.2012, 10:26 AM   #16165
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He's created a niche for himself in the marketplace, Cronenberg has.

He and his producers can roughly figure out how many people will see a particular film, budged accordingly, and take home a fat check at the end of the day. It doesn't matter if it will only be a few mil for Spider or more for existenz. Profit is profit.

Delillo follows his muse, even when he doesn't fully understand it himself. He's a poet on a journey, a true artist for our time, a voice piecing sense from wilderness, and does not consider money when putting sentences together.

Let me put it this way: Delillo would exist without Cronenberg; Cronenberg wouldn't exist without Delillo. (Or Ballard. Or Burroughs. etc.)


(I'm just fucking with you all. existenz was a great movie, Delillo's FALLING MAN sucked shit.)

But seriously, read COSMOPOLIS.
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Old 09.03.2012, 12:47 PM   #16166
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He's created a niche for himself in the marketplace, Cronenberg has.

And Delillo hasn't? Which part are you only fucking with us about?
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Old 09.03.2012, 06:25 PM   #16167
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Yeah, cuz book publishing is totally divorced from business and economics. Just wish for a book and blam! It materializes. Ah... poets! Of course DeLillo gets no money from the publisher or the production company. He needs only ambrosia from Mount Parnassus and his day job as a busboy.

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I hope this movie is successful so that Cronenberg can (finally, someone who can) make White Noise. Because Barry fucking Sonnenfeld was supposed to make it, but luckily didn't.
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Old 09.03.2012, 07:44 PM   #16168
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The only problem I see with anyone adapting DeLillo is his dialogue. I love how he writes but his dialogue is always awful.
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Old 09.03.2012, 08:12 PM   #16169
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yep. for the second time seeing it. it still sucks, but it was on t.v.
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Old 09.04.2012, 06:30 AM   #16171
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Old 09.04.2012, 10:11 AM   #16172
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The only problem I see with anyone adapting DeLillo is his dialogue. I love how he writes but his dialogue is always awful.

i've never noticed this but my guess is that in such case adaptation would actually be helpful, no?

damn, i'm looking for that movie everywhere-- i hope i didn't miss it.
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Old 09.04.2012, 10:52 AM   #16173
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Yeah, I don't see a reason why it couldn't be changed at the script stage but I imagine he's a particularly difficult writer to adapt anyway. I think of him primarily as a stylist, even more than Burroughs, or Ballard. I've never been particularly into his plots or even his ideas but love the way he can describe a scene. There's a kind of precision to them that's really literary, in a way that reminds me a lot of Ian McEwan - another novelist whose books I generally really like but which don't seem to translate very well into film, at least for me. I am fascinated to see how Cosmopolis turned out, though.
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Old 09.04.2012, 11:49 AM   #16174
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His characters always seem like they're giving a speech rather than having any kind of conversation. He's at his best when describing an event but I don't think he's particularly interested in people, as such, except on some kind of conceptual level. That's not really a criticism, more just a personal prejudice of mine, I suppose. And it's more noticable in some books than in others. White Noise (which I otherwise really like) has probably the worst case of it but I don't remember it being that bad in Cosmopolis, although I may just have gotten used to it by then.
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Old 09.04.2012, 12:13 PM   #16175
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But Donny D (as I call him) is not a realist. He flaunts this in LIBRA and UNDERWORLD where we find him gleefully juggling paranoid visions compiled from fact and fiction. And he tosses realism totally out the window with elliptical prose-poems like BODY ARTIST and POINT OMEGA.

Everything in a well-crafted novel should be raised to the same stylized pitch, whatever that pitch, dialogue included.

(Although I admire and prefer the delicate touch it takes, say Updike, to transfer something from my own life onto paper.)
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Old 09.04.2012, 01:26 PM   #16176
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He's not a realist, you're right, but most of his most celebrated passages (say the opening chapter in Underworld or the description of the mass wedding in Mao II) definitely qualify as a very heightened form of naturalism, which his dialogue invariably seems at odds with - which I'm sure he would say is key to his overall message (whatever that may be).

Incidentally, I really couldn't get into Libra. No particular reason, I just couldn't get interested in it. I never finished Underworld, either, but I think that's kind of standard, even with a lot of DeLillo fanatics. I think the idea with Underworld is just to read the first chapter, declare him a genius and then quickly move on to something else before the rest of the book starts to inspire any doubts. (See also the first chapter of Ian McEwan's Atonement.)
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I love this film. It's not particularly good but nonetheless.
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Just got back from going to see a film in a cinema for the first time in 13 years and it was fucking terrible. Was it always this LOUD?
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