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Old 07.28.2009, 08:07 AM   #7421
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Here's the thing about Argento. I saw Opera and was like OMG! BEST DIRECTOR EVER! Then saw Susperia. Which is awesome. Then I saw a dozen of his films that were nice looking, but ultimately shitty films. So...
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Old 07.28.2009, 08:27 AM   #7422
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Yeah, Opera's the first one i saw, and I love it.

I like most of his output, though all his recent works have been awful (aside from the surprisingly underrated "Third Mother", which isn't a good film by any stretch of the imagination -- but is entertaining, something films like "Sleepless" aren't).

I find Suspiria overrated, aside from the opening death and the oversaturated colors.
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Old 07.28.2009, 08:33 AM   #7423
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I like Supseria a lot. But it's no Opera.

Like you said most of his new films (The Card Player! Do You Like Hitchcock! Jennifer! Pelts! etc) are pretty garbage. But then again, really think about The Hatchet Murders, or Phenomenon, or Phantom Of The Opera, etc. He's really a good director of photography. But it's so boring to see someone base their film career on attempting to just add a lot of blood to 2nd rate mystery scripts in the style-o' Hitch.

and again. They're nice to look at. Enough so that I've seen a bulk of them.
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Old 07.28.2009, 08:52 AM   #7424
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I think, essentially, what I like about the guy, he's making art-horror films. Or he was. And I gotta give the guy credit for never totally selling out... he's made horror films almost exclusively.

But, yeah, let's look at Tenebre: What a beautiful work of art. I mean, really. The colors, the direction, that one 3 minute shot of a camera swooping all around the house... I definitely see a Hitchcockian vibe (you know, aside from him actually having a film called DO YOU LIKE HITCHCOCK?), but I dunno, his films just aren't that dramatic or suspensful. Instead, he's more concerned with artful murder scenes... art horror, yeah.

I think a lot of his films are a bit "lost in translation", though. Because there'll often be some incredibly dumb dialogue here or there that has me scratching my head. A lot of his films are incredibly obvious, too.

I think "Stendhal Syndrome" is another underrated gem. This one has 3D bullets, odd shots of pills being swallowed, and people entering paintings. It's a bit too long, though.

"Deep Red"/"The Hatchet Murder"/"Profondo Rosso" just amazes me, though. That one has this amazing atmosphere.. with the colors and direction.. I dunno. Something about that one.. I can't put my finger on it, but I love it. I've bought 4 copies of it in my lifetime, in fact

Argento is definitely a very frustrating director. It seems like he doesn't even know his own strengths and weaknesses, and his films are often overlong and indulgent. I've noticed that many films have logical endings -- but then he often will tack on more after the ending to make a "real" ending (see: Opera, Creepers/Phenonemon/Stendhal for examples). He definitely stretches out his worst scenes for too long, and he just kinda skirts around the truly brilliant scenes. Still, when he's on, he's on, and he actually kinda surprises me sometimes. For example, "Trauma", in particular, surprised me with its violence. He's an interesting director, though I think he's an awful storyteller.

He also was one of the 4 writers on one of my all time favorite films, Once Upon a Time in the West.
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Old 07.28.2009, 09:26 AM   #7425
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Argento is definitely a very frustrating director. It seems like he doesn't even know his own strengths and weaknesses, and his films are often overlong and indulgent. I've noticed that many films have logical endings -- but then he often will tack on more after the ending to make a "real" ending (see: Opera, Creepers/Phenonemon/Stendhal for examples). He definitely stretches out his worst scenes for too long, and he just kinda skirts around the truly brilliant scenes. Still, when he's on, he's on, and he actually kinda surprises me sometimes. For example, "Trauma", in particular, surprised me with its violence. He's an interesting director, though I think he's an awful storyteller.

Hell yes.
I think his "problem" is that he doesn't think too much about the audience. Not that he does not aim to "please" his fans or anything like that, but I think he focuses more on the pleasures/difficulties of directing rather than on the pleasure/difficulties those who will watch the finished movie will experience.

Still some reeeeeally nice movies, some others with reeeeeally nice scenes/colours/shots, his latest output suffers a bit from the different techniques imo..I mean, more modern film/lighting (at least i think so) etc kinda detracts some of the appeal older movies had, while being basically pretty similar on a pure filological pov.

I'm glad a bunch of italian "horror" directors are still appreciated for nice things other than the more "splatter" scenes.

does this make sense?
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This really hit the spot last night.
Truly, an underrated modern-horror masterpiece.
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Old 07.28.2009, 01:07 PM   #7428
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This really hit the spot last night.
Truly, an underrated modern-horror masterpiece.


YES! I love Cabin Fever. It gets a lot of flack. But I love the shiz out of it. I think it's brilliant. Brilliant!
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I don't think it's brilliant, but it has its moments... Giuseppe Andrews and the pancakes kid make the movie watchable.
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going to watch this when i get home again-
 

cant wait. its been a few years.
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I don't think it's brilliant, but it has its moments... Giuseppe Andrews and the pancakes kid make the movie watchable.


I just think it's great. One of those I can watch over and over. Ah. You know me and my taste. Shrug. haha.
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cant wait. its been a few years.

Naked Lunch is interesting to me, because I had to watch it about 10 times before I really liked it. I saw it a few times about, oh, 7 years ago at this point... and was just like "ehhh", aside from a few scenes and the awesome ending.... but somehow, it stuck with me. I just found it a bit dull and nowhere near the, um, experience of reading the book. But, again, it stuck with me and I kept watching it and watching it and watching it, with friends or by myself, over the years. Finally, I bought the Criterion DVD last year back and sat down and watched it for the first time in about 2 years. And, finally, now, I can say that I pretty much love it. I dunno why I had such a tough time loving it to begin with... I just felt that something was a bit off about the whole thing. But it's still a compelling film that will definitely make a lasting impression on anyone who dares to watch it.
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Old 07.28.2009, 01:39 PM   #7434
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Naked Lunch is interesting to me, because I had to watch it about 10 times before I really liked it. I saw it a few times about, oh, 7 years ago at this point... and was just like "ehhh", aside from a few scenes and the awesome ending.... but somehow, it stuck with me. I just found it a bit dull and nowhere near the, um, experience of reading the book. But, again, it stuck with me and I kept watching it and watching it and watching it, with friends or by myself, over the years. Finally, I bought the Criterion DVD last year back and sat down and watched it for the first time in about 2 years. And, finally, now, I can say that I pretty much love it. I dunno why I had such a tough time loving it to begin with... I just felt that something was a bit off about the whole thing. But it's still a compelling film that will definitely make a lasting impression on anyone who dares to watch it.

This and the newest one are maybe the only Cronenberg's I haven't seen. I want to see Naked Lunch. But the critereon is so expensive.
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Eli Roth just kinda sucks.

Can't hate him too bad, though, since he clearly has a good taste in films. Having Miike and Giuseppe in your movies is also quite amazing.
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well, as usual this is a disagreement we've had enough times to not go thru it again, brother. But I think Roth is great. I hope he finished TRAILER TRASH, cuz his THANKSGIVING trailer was amazing. (with obvious MAJORETTES reference).
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In all seriousness, though, I think Eli Roth will one day probably make some good films. He just hasn't made any I've personally enjoyed yet. "Thanksgiving", in my opinion, is definitely his best work though. Actually, that was my favorite thing in all of Grindhouse's 3 hours.
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