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Old 10.26.2017, 01:59 PM   #21801
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i meant to ask this a long time ago butóreally, overrated? or more likeó has it been absorbed so much into the language of film and the culture itís hard to see it anymore for what it was?

I'm not the biggest fan of that particular film but I disagree that Truffaut is overrated. If anything I'd say he's unfairly overshadowed by Godard, who was more innovative and made some brilliant films but nothing as brilliant as 400 Blows. IMO.
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Old 10.26.2017, 10:02 PM   #21802
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this movie was on TV last week, actually only saw the last half of it but I liked it a lot. Yes it's outdated (it's from 1971), but amazingly enough, the animations seemed to be less so than the actual actors. And it stars Angela Lansbury, which was the reason that I didn't watch it completely. But she turned out quite alright as well.
Always a good viewing in my mind, though I don't watch it constantly by any means.
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Old 10.27.2017, 11:44 AM   #21803
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this movie was on TV last week, actually only saw the last half of it but I liked it a lot. Yes it's outdated (it's from 1971), but amazingly enough, the animations seemed to be less so than the actual actors. And it stars Angela Lansbury, which was the reason that I didn't watch it completely. But she turned out quite alright as well.

Man, I watched this film so many times when I was a kid.

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i meant to ask this a long time ago butóreally, overrated? or more likeó has it been absorbed so much into the language of film and the culture itís hard to see it anymore for what it was?

Nope. Overrated.

400 Blows is good, I'll give you that. However that's the exception for me. I don't find the stories he chooses/writes interesting. For me, both Truffaut and Godard's total love for American films, gangster films especially, just come across as poor imitations. Whether it be Shoot The Piano Player by Truffaut or Alphaville (shudder) by Godard I watch them and think "Nah, I'd rather watch any other American noir"

Don't me wrong there are interesting moments in Jules et Jim. The montage of real WWI footage being the highlight for me. However, too much just bores me.

There's a difference between characters you don't like and characters that don't interest you. For the characters in Jules et Jim it's very much the latter.
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Old 10.27.2017, 11:48 AM   #21804
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Old 10.27.2017, 12:05 PM   #21805
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The Big Sick

Ruined by the hype. I heard nothing but great things, expected to be blown away, but it's a quiet, well-made little film with a few plot holes and some good laughs. No one mentioned any of that.

Need something funny to watch this weekend. What?
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Old 10.27.2017, 12:27 PM   #21806
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i vaguely remember that flying bed from infancy. only vaguely. i really don’t know shit about it.

as for jules et jim i gotta run and can’t argue this one right now. won’t argue personal tastes though. but just to say that there was a before and an after these movies.

funny that we’re talking about stranger than paradise at the same time because clearly it’s the american offspring

ok gotta run but... yeah

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Big Sick was pretty well OK. Agree, nothin special. Also on that list, Trainspotting 2. A few Welshian moments, but kind of buried in a feel good story line. Welsh does do a pretty fine soliloquy on modern times, though...
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Old 10.27.2017, 04:21 PM   #21808
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there was a before and an after these movies.

Good way of putting it.
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Old 10.27.2017, 07:46 PM   #21809
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Big Sick was pretty well OK. Agree, nothin special. Also on that list, Trainspotting 2. A few Welshian moments, but kind of buried in a feel good story line. Welsh does do a pretty fine soliloquy on modern times, though...

Tell me true: does it justify its own existence?

I’ve seen the original Trainspotting exactly ONE time, and thought it was brilliant, such was the impression it left on me. It’s hard to think of a movie that needed a sequel less than Trainspotting. Career high for all involved. It would have to do some pretty wild shit to even convince me that if needed to be made.

So, did it?
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Old 10.27.2017, 08:40 PM   #21810
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I saw Trainspotting 2 last week. I enjoyed it. Is it going to change how you feel about the first Trainspotting? Or did it NEED to be made? Simply put no, but is it a fun ride while you're watching it? I would say it is. Its an enjoyable movie. Its not the needle in the arm of adrenaline the first one is, of course not, and I think the movie itself acknowledges that.
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Old 10.28.2017, 11:35 AM   #21811
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i vaguely remember that flying bed from infancy. only vaguely. i really donít know shit about it.

as for jules et jim i gotta run and canít argue this one right now. wonít argue personal tastes though. but just to say that there was a before and an after these movies.

funny that weíre talking about stranger than paradise at the same time because clearly itís the american offspring

ok gotta run but... yeah

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So. I've read more than enough books about the whole French new wave movement, seen enough films to know who was doing what and why. That doesn't mean I'm going to like somebody just cos I'm meant to.

Give me and Agnes Varda film over both those guys if you wanna talk about the new wave scene. I've also gotten more out of any Renoir film than I have from both Godard's and Truffaut's films
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So. I've read more than enough books about the whole French new wave movement, seen enough films to know who was doing what and why. That doesn't mean I'm going to like somebody just cos I'm meant to.

Give me and Agnes Varda film over both those guys if you wanna talk about the new wave scene. I've also gotten more out of any Renoir film than I have from both Godard's and Truffaut's films
right i mentioned i wasnít gonna discuss tastes because if you just donít like the people you donít like it.

so iím not addressing what you like or donít like but your use of the adjective overrated. which is not about your tastes but the rating people give it.

if you read all these books you said then you know all the innovations that jules et jim brought to film and what it meant to for its time and for filmmaking history then you can admit itís an important film but you donít like the characters.

i have the same problem with leni riefenstahl btw. super important innovator, bores me to tears, hate her main character.
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Old 10.28.2017, 12:16 PM   #21813
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right i mentioned i wasnít gonna discuss tastes because if you just donít like the people you donít like it.

so iím not addressing what you like or donít like but your use of the adjective overrated. which is not about your tastes but the rating people give it.

if you read all these books you said then you know all the innovations that jules et jim brought to film and what it meant to for its time and for filmmaking history then you can admit itís an important film but you donít like the characters.

i have the same problem with leni riefenstahl btw. super important innovator, bores me to tears, hate her main character.

Aye, I'm well aware of what they did for cinema and I think I mentioned that before. Problem is, were they doing anything decent with it? It's all well and good using techniques and pushing the auteur theory but if you aren't doing anything interesting with it then it's just masturbation.

ďIíve never gotten anything out of his movies. They have felt constructed, faux intellectual, and completely dead. Cinematographically uninteresting and infinitely boring. Godard is a fucking bore. Heís made his films for the critics. One of the movies, Masculin, Fťminin, was shot here in Sweden. It was mind-numbingly boring.Ē

Bergman said that. Whilst I'm not holding him as the fountain of knowledge it goes someway to explaining that just cos they were the critics darlings doesn't mean I'm going to like them.
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Old 10.28.2017, 12:35 PM   #21814
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Aye, I'm well aware of what they did for cinema and I think I mentioned that before. Problem is, were they doing anything decent with it? It's all well and good using techniques and pushing the auteur theory but if you aren't doing anything interesting with it then it's just masturbation.

“I’ve never gotten anything out of his movies. They have felt constructed, faux intellectual, and completely dead. Cinematographically uninteresting and infinitely boring. Godard is a fucking bore. He’s made his films for the critics. One of the movies, Masculin, Fťminin, was shot here in Sweden. It was mind-numbingly boring.”

Bergman said that. Whilst I'm not holding him as the fountain of knowledge it goes someway to explaining that just cos they were the critics darlings doesn't mean I'm going to like them.

ha ha ha ha

i agree with bergman! godard is fucking boring. he just lectures and lectures. i did like masculin fťminin some though, mostly due to anna karina, but he’s more intellectual than an artist. couldn’t stand le weekend or pierrot le fou and don’t plan to see much of his stuff any further. film socialisme— spare me the lectures, thanks.

but truffault wasn’t godard and he was actually entertaining, and his innovations did serve a narrative and dramatic purpose, plus they made it possible for generations of independent filmmakers to tell their own stories, AND for hollywood to be reborn by a crop of fresh people like scorsese or coppola who commanded its industrial resources to great success.

look, i just googled “scorsese jules et jim” and blam, see:

http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/n...ese-influences

no books required (but there’s a book mentioned as a reference if you wanna read it)

in any case i (personally) did like jules et jim. and i fell in love with jeanne moreau when i saw her in this— who wouldn’t?— and so it was jules et jim et moi (le voyeur). i haven’t seen it in a long time though. but a story of how the idylls and idealism of youth can’t survive cynical old age and a rotting historical time? and told in such a refreshing way? sure, why not. and i love french endings. fuck happiness, ha ha ha.
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Watched this again last night. It was someone else's choice as he'd never seen it before and I wasn't relishing the idea of watching this again. Honestly, both Truffaut and the film are massively overrated. To mind boggling levels at that
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Old 10.30.2017, 02:04 PM   #21816
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Aye, I'm well aware of what they did for cinema and I think I mentioned that before. Problem is, were they doing anything decent with it? It's all well and good using techniques and pushing the auteur theory but if you aren't doing anything interesting with it then it's just masturbation.

“I’ve never gotten anything out of his movies. They have felt constructed, faux intellectual, and completely dead. Cinematographically uninteresting and infinitely boring. Godard is a fucking bore. He’s made his films for the critics. One of the movies, Masculin, Fťminin, was shot here in Sweden. It was mind-numbingly boring.”

Bergman said that. Whilst I'm not holding him as the fountain of knowledge it goes someway to explaining that just cos they were the critics darlings doesn't mean I'm going to like them.

There are individual scenes in most of Godard's films that I love. It's trying to take a full movie that I struggle with. I still haven't got through the whole of Weekend in one sitting but that infamous traffic jam tracking shot is just brilliant. You can go through most of his films and find the same thing. There are 'slow' directors, who people often consider boring because of the pace of their storytelling (Bergman, Tarkovsky, Antonioni, Fellini, Ford, etc) but who, so long as you can deal with that pace, are fine. Godard's films seem quick, because they're hectic, but they just always seem to feel 3x longer than they actually are. Tarkovsky, Antonioni, etc, are slow, no getting away from it, but they can somehow entrance me in a way Godard never really does.
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A slow pace is at least pacing, and I think it's fine that, say, Bergman films unfold leisurely. You feel you're in the hands of an artist who is in control. The metronome may be set a certain way, but it's deliberate.

Godard's films seem slow because they are fucking boring. (Dear lord, good luck with anything he made post-70s, with maybe two or three exceptions. Even the trailers are snooze-fests.)

Big difference, I think.
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i think we all agree we hate godard

but why lump truffaut with his mess?
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Let's compromise then. Godard is shit and Truffaut only made one great film ... which probably had more to do with Jean-Pierre Leaud's performance than Truffaut's direction.

I did like him in Close Encounters though.
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why lump truffaut with his mess?

i keep reading that as why lump truffaut with messi?
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