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Old 10.28.2017, 11:35 AM   #21801
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i vaguely remember that flying bed from infancy. only vaguely. i really don’t know shit about it.

as for jules et jim i gotta run and can’t argue this one right now. won’t argue personal tastes though. but just to say that there was a before and an after these movies.

funny that we’re talking about stranger than paradise at the same time because clearly it’s the american offspring

ok gotta run but... yeah

ps- melville! does it better

So. I've read more than enough books about the whole French new wave movement, seen enough films to know who was doing what and why. That doesn't mean I'm going to like somebody just cos I'm meant to.

Give me and Agnes Varda film over both those guys if you wanna talk about the new wave scene. I've also gotten more out of any Renoir film than I have from both Godard's and Truffaut's films
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Old 10.28.2017, 11:45 AM   #21802
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So. I've read more than enough books about the whole French new wave movement, seen enough films to know who was doing what and why. That doesn't mean I'm going to like somebody just cos I'm meant to.

Give me and Agnes Varda film over both those guys if you wanna talk about the new wave scene. I've also gotten more out of any Renoir film than I have from both Godard's and Truffaut's films
right i mentioned i wasn’t gonna discuss tastes because if you just don’t like the people you don’t like it.

so i’m not addressing what you like or don’t like but your use of the adjective overrated. which is not about your tastes but the rating people give it.

if you read all these books you said then you know all the innovations that jules et jim brought to film and what it meant to for its time and for filmmaking history then you can admit it’s an important film but you don’t like the characters.

i have the same problem with leni riefenstahl btw. super important innovator, bores me to tears, hate her main character.
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Old 10.28.2017, 12:16 PM   #21803
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right i mentioned i wasn’t gonna discuss tastes because if you just don’t like the people you don’t like it.

so i’m not addressing what you like or don’t like but your use of the adjective overrated. which is not about your tastes but the rating people give it.

if you read all these books you said then you know all the innovations that jules et jim brought to film and what it meant to for its time and for filmmaking history then you can admit it’s an important film but you don’t like the characters.

i have the same problem with leni riefenstahl btw. super important innovator, bores me to tears, hate her main character.

Aye, I'm well aware of what they did for cinema and I think I mentioned that before. Problem is, were they doing anything decent with it? It's all well and good using techniques and pushing the auteur theory but if you aren't doing anything interesting with it then it's just masturbation.

“I’ve never gotten anything out of his movies. They have felt constructed, faux intellectual, and completely dead. Cinematographically uninteresting and infinitely boring. Godard is a fucking bore. He’s made his films for the critics. One of the movies, Masculin, Féminin, was shot here in Sweden. It was mind-numbingly boring.”

Bergman said that. Whilst I'm not holding him as the fountain of knowledge it goes someway to explaining that just cos they were the critics darlings doesn't mean I'm going to like them.
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Old 10.28.2017, 12:35 PM   #21804
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Aye, I'm well aware of what they did for cinema and I think I mentioned that before. Problem is, were they doing anything decent with it? It's all well and good using techniques and pushing the auteur theory but if you aren't doing anything interesting with it then it's just masturbation.

“I’ve never gotten anything out of his movies. They have felt constructed, faux intellectual, and completely dead. Cinematographically uninteresting and infinitely boring. Godard is a fucking bore. He’s made his films for the critics. One of the movies, Masculin, Féminin, was shot here in Sweden. It was mind-numbingly boring.”

Bergman said that. Whilst I'm not holding him as the fountain of knowledge it goes someway to explaining that just cos they were the critics darlings doesn't mean I'm going to like them.

ha ha ha ha

i agree with bergman! godard is fucking boring. he just lectures and lectures. i did like masculin féminin some though, mostly due to anna karina, but he’s more intellectual than an artist. couldn’t stand le weekend or pierrot le fou and don’t plan to see much of his stuff any further. film socialisme— spare me the lectures, thanks.

but truffault wasn’t godard and he was actually entertaining, and his innovations did serve a narrative and dramatic purpose, plus they made it possible for generations of independent filmmakers to tell their own stories, AND for hollywood to be reborn by a crop of fresh people like scorsese or coppola who commanded its industrial resources to great success.

look, i just googled “scorsese jules et jim” and blam, see:

http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/n...ese-influences

no books required (but there’s a book mentioned as a reference if you wanna read it)

in any case i (personally) did like jules et jim. and i fell in love with jeanne moreau when i saw her in this— who wouldn’t?— and so it was jules et jim et moi (le voyeur). i haven’t seen it in a long time though. but a story of how the idylls and idealism of youth can’t survive cynical old age and a rotting historical time? and told in such a refreshing way? sure, why not. and i love french endings. fuck happiness, ha ha ha.
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Old 10.28.2017, 12:54 PM   #21805
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Watched this again last night. It was someone else's choice as he'd never seen it before and I wasn't relishing the idea of watching this again. Honestly, both Truffaut and the film are massively overrated. To mind boggling levels at that
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Old 10.30.2017, 02:04 PM   #21806
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Aye, I'm well aware of what they did for cinema and I think I mentioned that before. Problem is, were they doing anything decent with it? It's all well and good using techniques and pushing the auteur theory but if you aren't doing anything interesting with it then it's just masturbation.

“I’ve never gotten anything out of his movies. They have felt constructed, faux intellectual, and completely dead. Cinematographically uninteresting and infinitely boring. Godard is a fucking bore. He’s made his films for the critics. One of the movies, Masculin, Féminin, was shot here in Sweden. It was mind-numbingly boring.”

Bergman said that. Whilst I'm not holding him as the fountain of knowledge it goes someway to explaining that just cos they were the critics darlings doesn't mean I'm going to like them.

There are individual scenes in most of Godard's films that I love. It's trying to take a full movie that I struggle with. I still haven't got through the whole of Weekend in one sitting but that infamous traffic jam tracking shot is just brilliant. You can go through most of his films and find the same thing. There are 'slow' directors, who people often consider boring because of the pace of their storytelling (Bergman, Tarkovsky, Antonioni, Fellini, Ford, etc) but who, so long as you can deal with that pace, are fine. Godard's films seem quick, because they're hectic, but they just always seem to feel 3x longer than they actually are. Tarkovsky, Antonioni, etc, are slow, no getting away from it, but they can somehow entrance me in a way Godard never really does.
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Old 10.30.2017, 02:27 PM   #21807
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A slow pace is at least pacing, and I think it's fine that, say, Bergman films unfold leisurely. You feel you're in the hands of an artist who is in control. The metronome may be set a certain way, but it's deliberate.

Godard's films seem slow because they are fucking boring. (Dear lord, good luck with anything he made post-70s, with maybe two or three exceptions. Even the trailers are snooze-fests.)

Big difference, I think.
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Old 10.30.2017, 02:29 PM   #21808
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i think we all agree we hate godard

but why lump truffaut with his mess?
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Old 10.30.2017, 02:51 PM   #21809
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Let's compromise then. Godard is shit and Truffaut only made one great film ... which probably had more to do with Jean-Pierre Leaud's performance than Truffaut's direction.

I did like him in Close Encounters though.
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Old 10.30.2017, 02:54 PM   #21810
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why lump truffaut with his mess?

i keep reading that as why lump truffaut with messi?
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Let's compromise then. Godard is shit and Truffaut only made one great film ... which probably had more to do with Jean-Pierre Leaud's performance than Truffaut's direction.

I did like him in Close Encounters though.

haa haa haa haaa

i like most of his moobys. the whole antoine doinel cycle.

as for “greatness” i think both jules et jim and 400 blows are candidates, but i’d have to mull it over and probably rewatch to make any sort of well-founded claims (apart from historical evidence).
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Old 10.30.2017, 03:15 PM   #21812
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Truffaut only made one great film

I don't know if it counts as "great," but I really like Shoot the Piano Player.

And although not "art," Wild Child and Small Change have always pleased me.
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Old 10.30.2017, 03:26 PM   #21813
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Every Godard film I have ever seen is a piece of shit aimed at fucking soft-ass people who have no real problems in their lives, except to whine and cry about their fucking bullshit relationships. fucking forget that fuck for good. master of the dull, the interminable pointlessness, the fucking creme de la creme of poser art wanna be's who claim his greatness.
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Old 10.30.2017, 03:32 PM   #21814
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Yeah, I don't think he's a bad director, but I do think his reputation may be a little inflated. He's not a director I have strong opinions about in either direction. Which might be the problem. I mean at least Godard's almost guaranteed to provoke a response.

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I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Godard film, actually. Not thinking of any off hand anyway.

I just watched Silence of the Lambs for some reason. Still good, in case you were wondering.
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Old 10.30.2017, 05:12 PM   #21816
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Well I'm glad I'm not the only one to have the same feelings regarding Truffaut and Godard.

Anyway, I'm currently in the process of moving house and whilst doing all that I've been on Harrison Ford fix. So here's my FORD FIX MIX!
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Just finished this one tonight. Honestly, I didn't even know about this and yet supposedly it was a MASSIVE hit when it came out. I really enjoyed it, plus I'm a total sucker for court room dramas. When a film does it well and doesn't feel like it's having to spoon feed everything to you I'm a happy man and this is no exception. Pus it shows that Harrison Ford is actually a decent actor.

 


#As I walk through the Amish paradise#

It's a real weird idea for a story tbh and one that shouldn't work, but again ol' Harrison helps makes it work. Anyway, makes me feel there should be more Amish people in films.

 


ACTION FORD! I remember I kept seeing this in Blockbusters when i first came out and wanting to watch it. 20 years later I finally have. Basically you know what you're gonna get before you even start the film. Also, I didn't realise Gary Oldman was in this stealing every scene as he does.

 


Fucking love this film. Seen it so many times and it never gets boring.

"I didn't do it!"
"I don't care"

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can't say I've seen much, but Breathless and Alphaville are pretty great.
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contempt too, but that was all before he turned full egghead

with masculin-feminin he started getting into “theory” and i think by may 68 he was full maoist or something, and thus pursued his own version of the cultural revolution, attempting to lecture and indoctrinate everyone.
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Godard is great when your young. He’s like reading the Beats. Soon you see that beneath all the flash there’s not really much there. I have a major soft spot for films like Pierrot le fou, Contempt and Vivre sa vie because they were the first “art house” films I got into but they don’t rank as high anymore. I think he theorized way too much about the criteria needed to be an artist before he bothered trying to be one. And most of his “innovations” aren’t really innovative after you watch a few of the great silent classics... Did anyone see the 3D film he put out? It looked batshit.

It’s funny Truffaut is being argued now. I’ve got 400 Blows in rotation just to give Truffaut another chance. I haven’t seen it in a looooong time and it is about time to reevaluate.

Last film I watched: The White Sheik. Fellini’s first solo feature. Never thought I’d see a boring Fellini film but now I have. But what can I say it still had hints of that great Fellini humor and a fun cameo from Masina as a prostitute that would end up being Cabiria in the great Nights of Cabiria.
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