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Old 04.02.2013, 11:35 AM   #81
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the government IS the people. They use taxes to pay for everything, especially the stuff we never hear about. Nearly 1 TRILLION in black Ops secret budget. yet, the whiners cry about a 60 million dollar budget for the National Endowment for the Arts, or money for PBS.
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Old 04.02.2013, 11:52 AM   #82
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black ops, fine, but the ACA is not like what you're saying, is my point.

the ACA may not be perfect but it's a huge step in providing a health care safety net without removing freedom of choice, and while it expands the insurance market it also limits profits and provides extended coverage for the poor. it's not a bad law.

don't believe the sarah palin logic of "the goverment is forcing me to buy something". those are people who don't have the public interest in mind.
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Old 04.02.2013, 12:55 PM   #83
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Oh I am not seeing it that way. what we are being forced to do is to pay for an insurance company subsidy, essentially socializing the health insurance business to the benefit of insurance shareholders, not the people who need treatment and health care.
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Old 04.02.2013, 01:09 PM   #84
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Oh I am not seeing it that way. what we are being forced to do is to pay for an insurance company subsidy, essentially socializing the health insurance business to the benefit of insurance shareholders, not the people who need treatment and health care.

right, but having choice of health insurance plans gives you the option to go for either the cadillac plans or the high-deductible version or anything in between. you can join a health co-op or you can pay the tax and spend your own money in your own private care. in other ways you're incentivized into the market but you're not forced and it's still a market.

what bothers me about the ACA is that this law burdens businesses with providing health insurance for its employees, which is not something that businesses should be doing. seriously, especially for small businesses, it's a pain in the ass. an employer is not/ shouldn't be someone's mommy.

health insurance and employment need to be decoupled--- this would not only be great for businesses who could then concentrate on what they do best, but also would grant people greater flexibility of employment.

on the other hand-- universalizing socialized medicine means everyone has to wait in the same line or has no option of a second opinion which i think you'd agree goes against the general american ethos of 1,000 breakfast cereals to choose from (even if it's just 2 or 3 large corporations that produce them all).

i have had my share of experiences with socialized health care and it's not the dream some people think it is. (it's not all-bad either, but one size does not fit all).

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Old 04.02.2013, 01:24 PM   #85
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health insurance and medical care need to be decoupled. that is my whole POINT!

I need to hook up my xbox 360 (just moved) so I can watch ESPN coverage streams of the UEFA champions matches!
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Old 04.02.2013, 01:44 PM   #86
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