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Old 03.29.2013, 07:22 PM   #41
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I'd have to see something more specific. I assumed she meant that both of the main female characters are rather unpleasant on the show, one of them being a thief and the other deliberately and obnoxiously adding more pressure on Walter as he gets in deeper trouble. I guess Skyler is presented on the show as an obnoxious person, rather than an understanding one. But the male characters don't do the most likable things either, which is essentially the point of the show. They all get involved in terrible situations because of decisions they make, and they're required to do bad things in order to survive or get by. They all possess an outer shell of repulsion to some extent, but underneath it is a sense of unity and wanting what's best for one another. They're all involved in the mess together, even though Walter and Jesse keep a lot of it abstruse and get into the most dangerous situations.

yeah, but you can't see why Skyler is the one trying to keep everything together, balanced and morally right? right?

her sister is just a typical woman, a controlling bitch with no awareness or concern for herself or anybody else and who suffers from greediness. a woman you should avoid and that represents the kind of mindless "keep yr mouth shut and cook me soup" bitch that is growing on a daily basis.
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Old 03.29.2013, 07:35 PM   #42
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yeah, but you can't see why Skyler is the one trying to keep everything together, balanced and morally right? right?

her sister is just a typical woman, a controlling bitch with no awareness or concern for herself or anybody else and who suffers from greediness. a woman you should avoid and that represents the kind of mindless "keep yr mouth shut and cook me soup" bitch that is growing on a daily basis.

Well that's hardly true. Whilst it's true Marie could come across as annoying sometimes, she's hardly this one-dimensional character you trying to make out.

The scenes after *SPOILERS*Hank was shot*SPOILERS*did a brilliant job of showing her more depth and character than "a controlling bitch with no awareness or concern for herself "
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Old 03.29.2013, 09:33 PM   #43
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Tarantino: I couldn't even get into Pulp Fiction either to be honest. It had its entertaining moments, but it was mostly superficial and desperately emulative junk. Those are just my thoughts on it

And that's not to say I have anything against resembling other artists. However, when I watch his films, he seems like someone who gets carried away with his inspirations to the point where he lacks depth or a distinguishing factor. It comes off as a rehash of things rather than something that was merely inspired by other films or whatever. Hopefully you know what I mean..


I'm with el Symbols. Give the man Pulp Fiction, at least. I can see how the rehash thing could be applied to his more recent stuff but while PF obviously has its influences I'd say Tarantino treated them in a pretty original way, at least at the time, and definitely compared with most of the countless films it influenced. The sense that it lacks anything distinctive now, may be the result of its style winding up in almost every gangster movies made after it. I like Pulp Fiction, Hard Boiled and Goodfellas a lot, but for their combined influence on recent gangster movies, I almost wish they'd never been made.
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Old 03.29.2013, 11:34 PM   #44
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its smth of the unpolpular talk, that i wish i could express.
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pointless- i ll eat and go to bed (post for the tipsy thread).

ok smth else- where are the people of the spirit. these days?
yeah, many of us are and i can say many things, but here are the people of the intellect, to inspire but most of all, to give solutions?
i m fed off talks about what 'got us here', i want to hear about solutions.
i say the above for so long.. ii m tired now. i mean i cant say much on line.
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Old 03.30.2013, 09:29 AM   #45
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ok smth else- where are the people of the spirit. these days?
yeah, many of us are and i can say many things, but here are the people of the intellect, to inspire but most of all, to give solutions?
i m fed off talks about what 'got us here', i want to hear about solutions.

inspire? give solutions? i think nietzsche was on the right track. i think what he proposed in "beyond good and evil" was immensely great, the work of centuries, but nobody has taken up the task yet (instead they talk about him, the academics). but it's there if you want to take a look.
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Old 03.30.2013, 09:38 AM   #46
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Tarantino: I couldn't even get into Pulp Fiction either to be honest. It had its entertaining moments, but it was mostly superficial and desperately emulative junk. Those are just my thoughts on it

And that's not to say I have anything against resembling other artists. However, when I watch his films, he seems like someone who gets carried away with his inspirations to the point where he lacks depth or a distinguishing factor. It comes off as a rehash of things rather than something that was merely inspired by other films or whatever. Hopefully you know what I mean..

yes i do and i agree with much of it but there is something to be said for metaphors made out of metaphors and completely artificial worlds instead of the customary and expected attempts at realism we always get from film.

i think he succeeded in pulp fiction when it came out. i don't know that the movie would work so well today because it's been so imitated, it's become such a common trope, that its original impact is very hard to perceive.

for me it came some 45 minutes into the movie i was siting in that theatre, nervous as shit with everything that was going on-- gangsters, junkies, violence, blood-- when mia makes that very stupid joke about ketchup. and then i realized-- it's all ketchup, it's all stage blood, it's all a movie. and i couldn't stop laughing after that. the violence, the horror, the atrocity--it had all become a big joke. because it's what it was. it wasn't a documentary. it was just images, made out of other images, to entertain us. and that was great.

but tarantino has the emotional capacity of a 12 year old and fucked it up afterwards.

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Old 03.30.2013, 09:46 AM   #47
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Old 03.30.2013, 12:53 PM   #48
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Old 03.30.2013, 06:38 PM   #49
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i agree with most of this but why should you be miserable without a god or an "immortal soul"? do you miss them, or something?

(it seems to me that your premises are correct but your conclusions are all wrong.)


i do not miss that shit. it's never done me any favours.

to paraphrase john gray "happiness is a fiction i can do without."
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i do not miss that shit. it's never done me any favours.

so why not find pleasure in their absence? it's a huge freedom (and life is short).

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to paraphrase john gray "happiness is a fiction i can do without."

who's that? regardless-- with a name like "gray" i feel one has no chance for happiness. less gray, more ru paul!

but happiness-- i don't know about definitions of that shit. why even construct such a fiction. however-- survival is good, and pleasure abounds, and not just the coarse kind (though coarse ain't bad either).

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ps- i just read john gray's wikipedia page. he sounds like a no-fun bitter cunt. fuck him! (morality is an illusion, yet he moralizes like a champ) is that who you follow? find a better prophet-- furreal!
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I must admit I have some prejudice towards Gypsies.

You won't be saying that when you next run out of clothes pegs.
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Old 03.30.2013, 07:30 PM   #52
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okay. reading a bit further, i must say (deadbattery), your reading of john gray seems grimmer than gray himself.

though i don't know. you've made me curious now.
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so why not find pleasure in their absence? it's a huge freedom (and life is short).



who's that? regardless-- with a name like "gray" i feel one has no chance for happiness. less gray, more ru paul!

but happiness-- i don't know about definitions of that shit. why even construct such a fiction. however-- survival is good, and pleasure abounds, and not just the coarse kind (though coarse ain't bad either).

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ps- i just read john gray's wikipedia page. he sounds like a no-fun bitter cunt. fuck him! (morality is an illusion, yet he moralizes like a champ) is that who you follow? find a better prophet-- furreal!

but why the suggestion i should pursue pleasure at all? why is pursuing pleasure mandatory these days, and daring to dissent means being sneered at and facing aggression?

i know very well why but i'm going to leave it there.
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Old 03.30.2013, 07:52 PM   #54
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Old 03.30.2013, 08:22 PM   #55
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i know it may be popular among some, but sex can be rather boring and unfullfiling most of the time. maybe i need something a little more 'wild'. i can't even bring myself to climax most of the time because i feel it's just not worth it. and one night stands are complete shit too. done it a couple of times in my life and found it rather cheap. don't know why people brag about it nor why it's so popular.

take in mind that i don't really have anything steady at the moment. i'm sure that has a lot to do with it.

there.
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but why the suggestion i should pursue pleasure at all? why is pursuing pleasure mandatory these days, and daring to dissent means being sneered at and facing aggression?

i know very well why but i'm going to leave it there.

what's wrong with pleasure? what's wrong with the body? what's wrong with instinct? christian morality condemns them all, but i am not a christian.

the body is wiser and a lot more refined than the christian moralizers give it credit for. it's mostly ideas--bad ideas-- that are damaging and stupid.

alright good luck man. oh, sorry-- i mean bad luck-- cuz that's better, right? right? okay. whatever you wish.
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sex.

this is just a journo talking but you might find the subject interesting, maybe:

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you know i have to agree with you. a little. things get so pent-up over time that you can't think straight, but what i'm trying to say and have felt for years is that you really don't 'need' it.

there was a time when i could go months and months without sex nor even have the need to masturbate. the older i get, the weaker i get and the less i can control myself from some sort of sexual release. i always thought it would be the opposite.
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you are attributing an xtianity to me that is just not there. i mean i really hope it isn't, if it is there is a problem with my thinking and i've got hidden assumptions i don't want.

i didn't say any of those things. i didn't say anything was 'wrong' with pleasure. i questioned the pursuit of it.

i'd also question your need to question me about this. why is it important for you that someone else has to make the now mandatory blind assertion of the superiority of pleasure. why is it wrong for me to dissent from this? why if you are so happy is my dissent even an issue for you?

there are answers to all those questions which prove my point.

i don't really believe in your happiness. i think its more of an ideology. i think in fact that in many cases its either psychosis or superstition. people used to believe in magical elves and shit and now they believe happy thoughts can actually make you happy. like you can will it. and theres junk science to back this bullshit up.

paradoxically, if you had said nothing at all i could have believed you. but your attitude is so common as to be the norm now, only you are expressing it in a far less aggressive manner than most people do. if they didn't need others to believe in their happiness i would believe they might actually have it.

when someone else refuses to worship this so called happiness and they get attacked for it, it exposes the fact that this happiness is something we are performing.
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