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Old 07.10.2013, 04:11 PM   #561
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Old 07.10.2013, 07:51 PM   #562
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You west coast fellas (in truth, geographically speaking at least, I'm one of you, so no insult intended) seem to be way too wrapped up in things like cadence, and also... Cadence.

Seriously, one of the reasons I took to easy coast hip hop like Wu and Jay Z was that it was NOT so clipped and articulated and full of vocal gymnastics. I think the over emphasis on that kind of thing really made the difference between "rap" and "hip hop." The west coast rap scene (and the Cleveland rap scene, I guess) made vocal delivery so important that it left no room for sloppiness, fun, or non-fabricated personality.

I have a hard time listening to anyone who works sounds like they're working on sounding a certain way. I love the Chronic, Doggystyle, and Straight Outta Compton, but for me, it's all about sneaking You're right that Jay Z is not the rap technician that any of LA's major players were. I thought he was retarded when he came up, and I didn't understand how anyone could enjoy his music. I don't think I was entirely convinced until the Black Album, actually. But Jay raps with very little prevention for such a notoriously pretentious guy... He's smarter than he sounds, and when I realized how much of his lyrics were made up on the spot, or with little to no preparation, I started paying attention.

That's not to say that Wu Tang doesn't have cadence down. They do, and always have. They're truly skilled rappers, but they let themselves spazz out, improvise, and have fun. Also, both artists have the ability to rap about things other than guns and physical prowess. East Coasters used samples for more than just beats. They also used vocals for more than melody, and as a whole, have always been more loose lipped and humorous than their coastal counterparts.

Except for Biggie, who just loaded up his lungs with pure fucking hate and screamed it into the mic. Still, that was personality. The voice spoke for itself and didn't need any adjustments. I think this cadence issue is really behind my preference for Big, Jay, and above all Wu Tang, to the Ice Cube and Dre and the rest. I guess the sloppiness, the throwback samples, and the honesty and imperfection of the vocal delivery feels closer to punk to me. Or maybe it's like post punk... Like Wire to the West Coast's Sex Pistols.
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Old 07.10.2013, 07:57 PM   #563
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You west coast fellas (in truth, geographically speaking at least, I'm one of you, so no insult intended) seem to be way too wrapped up in things like cadence, and also... Cadence.

At least you noticed my biggest beef without me having to say it again, it was beginning to sound redundant on my part

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Seriously, one of the reasons I took to easy coast hip hop like Wu and Jay Z was that it was NOT so clipped and articulated and full of vocal gymnastics. I think the over emphasis on that kind of thing really made the difference between "rap" and "hip hop." The west coast rap scene (and the Cleveland rap scene, I guess) made vocal delivery so important that it left no room for sloppiness, fun, or non-fabricated personality.

This is true, except that it actually allows for even MORE expression of personality and individual flavor of the rapper.

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I have a hard time listening to anyone who works so hard on sounding a certain way. I love the Chronic, Doggystyle, and Straight Outta Compton, but for me, it's all about sneaking cleverness into the thug act.

But isn't that attention to sound what makes rap actual music in the first place? When rappers like Snoop are essentially singing, its safe to say that its music.

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You're right that Jay Z is not the rap technician that any of LA's major players were.

Thank you for that concession, I sincerely appreciate the nod.


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That's not to say that Wu Tang doesn't have cadence down. They do, and always have. They're truly skilled rappers, but they let themselves spazz out, improvise, and have fun.

Wu is ALL about their cadence and delivery, its what sets apart each individual wu rapper and their various side/solo projects.

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Also, both artists have the ability to rap about things other than guns and physical prowess. East Coasters used samples for more than just beats. They also used vocals for more than melody, and as a whole, have always been more loose lipped and humorous than their coastal counterparts.

We have some ridiculously funny west-coast rap, but I feel you, sometimes we do here in the West take ourselves so damned seriously
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Old 07.10.2013, 08:01 PM   #564
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I sound like a fucking ass. I only barely know enough about west coast rap to have an opinion. I can't stand most of the golden era of gangsta. And all that B-list shit like Cube... Might as well be ICP to me. That's just RAP. For rap fans, and aspiring RAPpers. It's so monotonous it's painful. I prefer music that aims higher than the chest. I like weird hip hop. I like soulful hip hop. I like brilliantly themed sci-fi / king fu inspired hip hop with production that resonates, and doesn't sound as one dimensional as And Justice for All.
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Old 07.11.2013, 08:04 AM   #566
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I prefer someone like Biggie, or Chuck D, or Guru, or Rakim who don't give a fuck about freestyle, and instead work HARD to write intricate, poly-rhythmic verses perfectly aligned to a fat bomb beat.

Freestyle is decent wordplay, but it often says nothing other than superfluous thoughts and generic ideas.
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Old 07.11.2013, 12:49 PM   #567
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No. I actually didn't like the Chronic 2001, but here in LA it blew up just about as big as the OG Chronic, so I had to more or less tolerate it. I'm on the Eazy E/Tupac side of the whole Ice Cube/Dr Dre beef. Fuck Ice-Cube (he is a bitch) and fuck Dr Dre (he is bitch made).

Those catz sure ran they mouthz in the 1990s and yet become the biggest busterz with made-for-kids movies, lame TV commercials, and those shitty, overpriced super hyped headphones. Eazy E called it out, and I agree with his criticism, artistically speaking. Gangsta rap is admittedly about authenticity as much as underground punk was in the mid-1980s, so sell-out bands and artists gets not love

Sorry to ask but how old are you?

Anyway late to the party as ever. Yeezus starts off brilliantly then the second half I feel kinda peters out. Just started listening to Magna Carta now. So far, so good. We'll see how it holds up.

Also-2001>Chronic. 2001 shits all over Chronic as an album.
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I sound like a fucking ass. I only barely know enough about west coast rap to have an opinion. I can't stand most of the golden era of gangsta. And all that B-list shit like Cube... Might as well be ICP to me. That's just RAP. For rap fans, and aspiring RAPpers. It's so monotonous it's painful. I prefer music that aims higher than the chest. I like weird hip hop. I like soulful hip hop. I like brilliantly themed sci-fi / king fu inspired hip hop with production that resonates, and doesn't sound as one dimensional as And Justice for All.

No you don't, you sound like a perfectly reasonable fan of of East coast ra and hip hop. There are very substantive musical differences between the two, and it is expected that fans rarely be mutual. I do like the RZA/GZA/GhostFace/Funk Doc, though I do much more prefer the west coast version Black Knights. I also bump that Killah Priest, and love the Gravediggaz, and I adore Tribe Called Quest. But that is about as eastcoast as I can get, and realistically, those guys have a lot of west coast style albums (more musical cadence, gothic beats, super soul samples)
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I prefer someone like Biggie, or Chuck D, or Guru, or Rakim who don't give a fuck about freestyle, and instead work HARD to write intricate, poly-rhythmic verses perfectly aligned to a fat bomb beat.

Freestyle is decent wordplay, but it often says nothing other than superfluous thoughts and generic ideas.

Nah,... Well, yes. Often it is that. But it's also fucking amazing to see someone spit a series of stream of consciousness rhymes, pulled directly from their id/subconscious/medial prefrontal cortex and /or ass-- that puts all the practiced and rehearsed ...

I started writing this this morning, and I am just not feeling it anymore. I don't even know if I agree with myself. Freestyle is lane when it's not great. Then again, what isn't?
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i'm looking forward to ARTPOP tbh, Gaga is great.

There's a new Gaga coming out?

All I've seen of her lately have been a handful of topless tweets. Poor thing can't not look like a junkie. I would love to hear a new album that did her level of talent justice. Born This Way didn't do a thing for me, but I know she's insanely talented.

I don't get information like this. If it's not on Stereogum or the Guardian.uk, or someone doesn't mention it here, I won't even know find out about it until I see it in the record store or iTunes.
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There's a new Gaga coming out?

All I've seen of her lately have been a handful of topless tweets. Poor thing can't not look like a junkie. I would love to hear a new album that did her level of talent justice. Born This Way didn't do a thing for me, but I know she's insanely talented.

I don't get information like this. If it's not on Stereogum or the Guardian.uk, or someone doesn't mention it here, I won't even know find out about it until I see it in the record store or iTunes.
yeah, she just announced it a couple of days ago. it's coming out November 11, and she's going to market it the Jay-Z way, with an iPhone application.

 


Born This Way was a letdown, i think it was rushed, but when i listen to something like "Speechless" i just can't deny her talent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhEMxle0yEY

she's been working on this one for a long time, i hope it'll be a masterpiece. i definitely have faith in Gaga.
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I was just thinking of how important cadence and delivery can be. Kurupt really can't rap all that well, his lyrics are fairly simple, and even rely on sounds like some bepop. However, his delivery is unique and artful, and it fools people into thinking he is a better rapper than he actually is simply the way he says the bullshit he is saying.

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And that ain't to hate on kurupt, I be steady bumpin that shit
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Nah,... Well, yes. Often it is that. But it's also fucking amazing to see someone spit a series of stream of consciousness rhymes, pulled directly from their id/subconscious/medial prefrontal cortex and /or ass-- that puts all the practiced and rehearsed ...

I started writing this this morning, and I am just not feeling it anymore. I don't even know if I agree with myself. Freestyle is lane when it's not great. Then again, what isn't?

most "freestyle" is not made up on the spot either. it tends to a collection of easy rhyme schemes and little "bits" of pre-written stuff. Rappers admit this.
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new Earl single/video. f'kn awesome, Vince killed him though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FcDXL5Aw0o

that's the first OF song since Yonkers I legitimately love

I'm seeing Earl and Kendrick on August 2nd you don't even know how stoked I am
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Been giving the new Joey Bada$$ a lot of play lately. I hadn't really listened to more than a few songs of his before this, and I'm surprised at how thoughtful a rapper he is. At best, he was background music before ... I think I had two or three random songs on my iPod, but did not, and still do not, know a great deal about him. But despite the relative "soft" feel of the album compared to recent releases by new rappers, I'm really enjoying it.

Is it supposed to remind you of Tribe? Because it reminds me of Tribe a LOT. In a refreshing way, of course, because as much as some of these neo positive tip rappers try to recreate ATCQ's lyrical optimistic, yet still credible and musically innovative style, most of them have just sounded like pussies.
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