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Old 07.08.2013, 05:49 PM   #541
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But no matter the album's gaudy and annoyingly glitchy big-business baggage, Magna Carta … Holy Grail truly is unique, even unprecedented. Consider that MCHG was made by a 43-year-old rapper who is 17 years deep into a highly celebrated discography, and that it will surely go on to become his 13th no. 1 album. Or that it arrives as Jay-Z prepares to launch what will likely rank among the year's most successful tours with one of the world's top pop stars, Justin Timberlake. In the history of hip-hop, where nearly every career arc sinks toward irrelevance after about a decade or so (if you're lucky), Magna Carta … Holy Grail finds Jay-Z still on top of the rap game as he approaches the start of his third decade.

I don't buy it. Its just one writer's opinion, but I think its bullshit. Jay-Z isn't necessarily dominating hip-hop into his 40s because of his inherent artistic greatness so much as his (a) extreme marketing blitz and (b) the reality of 21st century media technology allowing for just about ANY band/group/artist with some recognition to be unprecedentedly successful.

Its not that Jay-Z's rap is that good, its that music and pop culture has become that diluted, hyped, and technologically exploited. There is more casual access to music than ever, so people can have way overly inflated hype, audience share, and sales/views of their music. The technology in the twitter era has reshaped what it truly means to be popular. What made the Beatles, or Michael Jackson, or Nirvana popular is very different than what makes rappers like Kanye and Jay-Z popular today. When the access to distribution was more limited, it took some serious luck to get that kind of almost universal exposure. Now? Its become the norm. Jaz-Z has a "heritage" name for himself, he can sell records and advertising slots on his name alone, and even a haters will add to his account even if just to scoff. So its not necessarily that Jay-Z's talent has merited his success so much as that is the reality of popular art in the 21st century. EVERYBODY is Michael Jackson big. I will tip my cap at Jay-Z for still putting his art out there, but in all actuality he isn't the first rapper in his 40s to put out albums across three decades, he just so happens to be the benefit of a diluted scene full of mediocre talent. Dave Matthews Band and U2 have had similar moments of unnecessary success, thriving in the vacuum absence of better talent and building on their name alone and the nostalgia factor of aging fans with more money to spend. The broke teenagers who bumped Jigga in the 90s are the middle-class yuppies of the 21st century with money to burn, and just like the Stones and Aerosmith before him, Jay-Z is admittedly milking it
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Old 07.08.2013, 07:47 PM   #542
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I'm avoiding all reviews (including what you guys are writing about it) until I hear it myself.
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Old 07.08.2013, 08:38 PM   #543
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By the way, I wasn't posting strictly to hate on Jay-Z, I could do that anyways, but rather to dispute that review's insinuation that Jay-Z is the best or biggest rapper of all-time (that is, unless people really don't dig the Stones )

I don't really like Jay-Z, but I give respect to any artist or producer who is consistently prolific, its just that being a veteran doesn't exclude honest criticism out of matters of style and taste.

Besides, E-40 got way more albums and started years earlier than Jay-Z but that shit is quasi-underground..
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Old 07.09.2013, 06:14 AM   #544
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I actually let myself read the manga carts review on pitchfork ( Oh, I "acquired" it the moment it came out, without a single android or google device, or the assistance of an app... It's Goddamn great)... I can't believe how much that site has flip flopped over the years. Magma is pretty much just another Jay album, awesome and bloated with self satisfaction, but for some reason this time they hate it, for the same reasons they loved the others?

Glad I didn't read the Yeezus review. Even if it was a 10.0, just reading those inane words would have made the album leads enjoyable for me. Idiocy.
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Old 07.09.2013, 08:32 AM   #545
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P4k is all about hype. Magna Carta is basically the rap version of 20/20 Experience, which they gave an 8.4 earlier this year.

i think that Magna Carta isn't a MASTERPIECE like The Black Album or American Gangster, but definitely better than The Blueprint 3 (which i enjoyed a lot).

the track "BBC" with Nas is the most fun thing Jay has done in years. oh yes.
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just copped Yeezus today. "Blood on the Leaves" got me blown away, song of the year so far.
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Old 07.09.2013, 01:52 PM   #547
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does 2013 remind anyone of the late 90's? supposably innovating music but boring and forgettably dated in the long run.

AWWW, who gives a shit. i hate music anyway and it donesn't matter.

While agree that 2013 has been an epically boring year for rap music, the late 1990s had some fantastically innovative rap and hip hop so long as you weren't getting crunk and were avoiding No Limit
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Old 07.09.2013, 02:16 PM   #548
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Old 07.09.2013, 02:18 PM   #549
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can't seem to be able to stop playing The Chronic, Doggystyle and 2001 this week.
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can't seem to be able to stop playing The Chronic, Doggystyle and 2001 this week.

As it should be, about time you forget about that Jay and Kanye shit, and get back to some classic 1990s house party music. Lord I miss OG LA houseparties, back when you could actually go out, drink with friends, here some great DJ or even better, a local band, meet some fantastic ladies, smoke some kind trees, shit even get in a fist fight if you felt like it. Alas, by the early 2000s gangsters had infiltrated just about every party scene, and going to a house party was like going to the County Jail, nothing but drama and bullshit. The last house party I went to somebody got shot, and that was AFTER the police shut it down
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what about the Chronic 2001? some sick shit on there and maybe better than the original. "XXplosive" is pretty fucking nasty and contridictive tight. puts the 92 Chronic to shame.
how do you feel about Eminem being all over that album?
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i just realized that "Lost" by Chance the Rapper samples the intro to Rat-Tat-Tat-Tat.
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what about the Chronic 2001? some sick shit on there and maybe better than the original. "XXplosive" is pretty fucking nasty and contridictive tight. puts the 92 Chronic to shame.

No. I actually didn't like the Chronic 2001, but here in LA it blew up just about as big as the OG Chronic, so I had to more or less tolerate it. I'm on the Eazy E/Tupac side of the whole Ice Cube/Dr Dre beef. Fuck Ice-Cube (he is a bitch) and fuck Dr Dre (he is bitch made).

Those catz sure ran they mouthz in the 1990s and yet become the biggest busterz with made-for-kids movies, lame TV commercials, and those shitty, overpriced super hyped headphones. Eazy E called it out, and I agree with his criticism, artistically speaking. Gangsta rap is admittedly about authenticity as much as underground punk was in the mid-1980s, so sell-out bands and artists gets not love
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As it should be, about time you forget about that Jay and Kanye shit, and get back to some classic 1990s house party music. Lord I miss OG LA houseparties, back when you could actually go out, drink with friends, here some great DJ or even better, a local band, meet some fantastic ladies, smoke some kind trees, shit even get in a fist fight if you felt like it. Alas, by the early 2000s gangsters had infiltrated just about every party scene, and going to a house party was like going to the County Jail, nothing but drama and bullshit. The last house party I went to somebody got shot, and that was AFTER the police shut it down
great post.

btw, what do you think is the best Pac album? it used to be Me Against the World for me when i was younger, but now i'm leaning towards All Eyez on Me.

of course the Makaveli album is great but i feel like it's almost TOO intense. damn, at least Pac went away with a bang.
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heeeeeey it's been one year since the release of Channel Orange! one of the greatest that came out in the last few years.
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Its not that Jay-Z's rap is that good...

I'm gonna have to stop you there, because it is exactly like that.

His production hasn't always been the best (Vol. 2 has only occasional moments of greatness, sample-wise, aside from "Hard Knock Life",) but Jay is one of the most skilled rappers in the history of the genre. Some of his songs are awful.. Some of his rhymes are ridiculous... But considering that he's been a predominantly freestyle/one-take artist throughout his career, and taking into account how much music he's released, having one of two sucky songs (even one or two per album, if that were the case) would still put him in the upper pantheon of emcees from the last 25 years.

When referring to rapping alone, there are very few artists who can even share a track with Jay without sounding like children in comparison.
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I think he sounds like a punk bitch and I hate everything he has ever released.
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"I didn’t fully come out at Jay-Z and Kanye [West’s] Watch The Throne, but is that or is it not some kind of king shit? It’s like it’s some Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, Louis XVI type shit. Man, fuck a king – unless it’s Martin Luther.

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of course the Makaveli album is great but i feel like it's almost TOO intense. damn, at least Pac went away with a bang.

If Makaveli the Don is too intense for you, then I'd say All Eyez On Me is definitely the best you'll find, though in truth, the post-houmous Better Dayz is actually pretty decent too..

But y'all know me, I'm too caught up in that Makaveli the Don shit or that Outlawz Immortal shit (Still I Rise is also very good)

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I'm gonna have to stop you there, because it is exactly like that.

Jay is one of the most skilled rappers in the history of the genre.

I know you're bout it for Jay-Z but seriously, you are joking right? I head that dude come out on that Justin Timberlake single "Suit and Tie" and I was thinking to myself, "Shit, can Jay-Z even rap anymore, is he even trying to rap anymore or just spit out random words that sort of rhyme with ZERO cadence or delivery.."
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