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Old 01.05.2013, 09:02 PM   #61
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Its a put up or shut up moment in America

YES it is......and the "shut up" will be in the form of people having their cable TV and cell phones shut off......leading those companies to lay off working people. I'm not saying it will be like this six months from now, but I have no doubt it will be by time we vote for another President.
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Old 01.05.2013, 11:31 PM   #62
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I think the federal government has the spending problem, not the middle class. I honestly think we need to overhaul our foreign policy and get the federal government to start being frugal and cut wasteful spending.
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tomorrow is monday and if i send it with post it takes around 10 days to arrive in america

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Old 01.06.2013, 09:04 AM   #64
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I think the federal government has the spending problem, not the middle class. I honestly think we need to overhaul our foreign policy and get the federal government to start being frugal and cut wasteful spending.

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Old 01.06.2013, 05:09 PM   #65
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YES it is......and the "shut up" will be in the form of people having their cable TV and cell phones shut off......leading those companies to lay off working people. I'm not saying it will be like this six months from now, but I have no doubt it will be by time we vote for another President.

Dude, so that is the American standard then? Expensive cell-phone contracts with the newest iPhone or Galaxy and all pay TV? Meanwhile 46 MILLION people collect food stamps, and the same number have ZERO access to healthcare for preventable disease? I'd prefer an America we we willingly as Americans sacrifice luxury creature comforts for the overall greater good of our society. That is what Obamacare symbolizes. Medicare expansion is crucial. That is what Social Security/Disability represents, taking care of the needs of those in our society who by circumstance of age or health can't take care of themselves fully. It is not a Utopia, but why take away those things which are the best aspects of our otherwise fucked up country? So what, all we want left is war(s) and 2.1 MILLION prisoners?
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Old 01.06.2013, 05:17 PM   #66
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I think the federal government has the spending problem, not the middle class. I honestly think we need to overhaul our foreign policy and get the federal government to start being frugal and cut wasteful spending.

Couldn't agree more, but don't let those fucking supposed "fiscal conservatives" fool you, theirs is not a financial agenda, it is a "free-market capitalist" ideological agenda to gut the public system and social safety net in the name of so-called meritocracy. Responsibly cutting spending would be to reform the tax system to remove fringe benefits and perks for the wealthy who realistically don't need them, while attacking corruption and fraud within the system. The budget hawks aren't tackling fraud or corruption in any way, they insistently propose bills and legislation to gut public services. Could social security be more efficient? Of course. However that is not exactly what "conservatives" ever proposed. Further, we have a shit load of waste in military spending, but nobody on either party has the balls to cut that either. We need to have spending cuts for sure, but just not any of the kinds which have been proposed the past two or three years. Cut the fat, cut the waste, but don't cut what is essential. Again, America will find out the hard way just how much taking care of their elder relatives, the sickly, the disabled, and of course public infrastructure and education of our children actually costs if we all pay up front like some Libertarian fantasy. Its all in or all out. I say everyone who wants to collect benefits and services from the government should put up or shut up. If fiscal conservatives don't want government spending, start with themselves and reject the Medicare their elderly parents or even themselves may be collecting, stop taking all the tax breaks (including those for donations to non-profit conservative think tanks and lobbyist, that shit is like Shakespearean irony yo!) and loop holes which are a form of government spending, and put your kids or grandchildren in private secondary schools and private colleges (and don't even bother to fill out a FAFSA form you free-riding cheapskates)

 
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Old 01.06.2013, 06:31 PM   #67
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it's easy to call for spending cuts, the issue is WHAT to cut.

do you cut NASA, do you cut food safety, do you cut the navy, do you cut social security and medicare, do you cut food stamps, what do you cut?

funny thing during the presidential debates that the traditional roles were reversed when romney wanted to buy aircraft carriers the navy didn't want-- and he said that they could create jobs (LOL). well they would, but that's a keynesian argument.

anyway i'm for spending in infrastructure-- electrical grid and highway and water and sewage and rail and airports and internet. and of course education. i'd say the biggest savings would be to pull the troops from all around the globe and reduce the armed forces. does the US need to be the world's cop? no it doesn't. let the rest of the world pay for their own defense. shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittt!



 


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it's easy to call for spending cuts, the issue is WHAT to cut.

do you cut NASA, do you cut food safety, do you cut the navy, do you cut social security and medicare, do you cut food stamps, what do you cut?

funny thing during the presidential debates that the traditional roles were reversed when romney wanted to buy aircraft carriers the navy didn't want-- and he said that they could create jobs (LOL). well they would, but that's a keynesian argument.

anyway i'm for spending in infrastructure-- electrical grid and highway and water and sewage and rail and airports and internet. and of course education. i'd say the biggest savings would be to pull the troops from all around the globe and reduce the armed forces. does the US need to be the world's cop? no it doesn't. let the rest of the world pay for their own defense. shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittt!




Many combined estimates suggest that there are between $500-750BILLION spent annually on corruption, bloated pork projects, ridiculous pension/compensation packages for police/prison unions, and of course out-right fraud (especially in Medicare and Defense spending..) so in theory we could solve all our woes not by cutting anything we use or like or need, but just cutting all the waste, corruption, and fraud. However, there is clearly not the political will to do such at the time, or such would not even be so prevalent in the first place. So I say we can cut, but our dialogue should not be on trying to find which half of Solomon's baby to cut, but rather were to start examining everyone's sacred cows and find some fat and fraud to remove. Many Americans don't realize just how corrupt this nation and our economy really are, but it is staggering to our economy. During bubble years we don't notice, but in recessions they become glaringly obvious in the holes they dig through the budgets. I am all for spending cuts, but cut the right things, all ideologies aside.

 
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Old 01.06.2013, 08:52 PM   #69
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bytor--that's some lame copypasta job man. http://www.setpoliticalreview.com/topstory.htm

Making sure to give credit where credit is due (from the above link). Did you email him or is this from someeone else? Either way, he responded:

You are inaccurate or at least misleading in some of your statements about the fiscal cliff compromise.

1. The increase in the defict is based on a comparison of what revenues would be if all the tax cuts had expired. If you compare it to the tax cuts as they were, revenues increase by $600 billion. You can't argue that taxes should be cut and then complain that when they are, deficits increase.

2. The increase in payroll taxes was enacted for two years in 2010 as temporary stimulus. It was extended for one year. Since the cost was paid to Social Security from the general fund it has been adding to the deficit. It was allowed to expire. It was not part of the Bush tax cuts.

3. I don't know what you are talking about with the 28% if you die. The legislation keeps the estate exemption at $5 million instead of letting it revert to the $1 million if nothing had been done. It is also indexed so that the exemption will continue to rise. The rate for estates over $5 million changes from 35% to 40%.

4. Medical insurance is not taxable until 2018 and then only the more expensive, so called cadillac plans.

5. The President froze all automatic cost of living raises for federal employees, congress and judges in 2009 by executive order. His most recent executive order granted a 0.5% increase for those groups that does not become effective until March. The fiscal cliff compromise eliminated the raise for congress.

6. There were several things that you did not mention, such as a temporary extension of the farm bill to keep milk prices from rising. It included another doc fix on medicare payments to doctors that would have taken place on Jan. 1.

Answer : We all love these democratic talking points. A lesson to all of you - what we said is inaccurate or misleading - but this is the good that we are all paying more out of our paychecks and there were NO cuts in spending. Too funny.

NOTE: the above is copy paste from the link above......
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Making sure to give credit where credit is due (from the above link). Did you email him or is this from someeone else? Either way, he responded:

You are inaccurate or at least misleading in some of your statements about the fiscal cliff compromise.

1. The increase in the defict is based on a comparison of what revenues would be if all the tax cuts had expired. If you compare it to the tax cuts as they were, revenues increase by $600 billion. You can't argue that taxes should be cut and then complain that when they are, deficits increase.

2. The increase in payroll taxes was enacted for two years in 2010 as temporary stimulus. It was extended for one year. Since the cost was paid to Social Security from the general fund it has been adding to the deficit. It was allowed to expire. It was not part of the Bush tax cuts.

3. I don't know what you are talking about with the 28% if you die. The legislation keeps the estate exemption at $5 million instead of letting it revert to the $1 million if nothing had been done. It is also indexed so that the exemption will continue to rise. The rate for estates over $5 million changes from 35% to 40%.

4. Medical insurance is not taxable until 2018 and then only the more expensive, so called cadillac plans.

5. The President froze all automatic cost of living raises for federal employees, congress and judges in 2009 by executive order. His most recent executive order granted a 0.5% increase for those groups that does not become effective until March. The fiscal cliff compromise eliminated the raise for congress.

6. There were several things that you did not mention, such as a temporary extension of the farm bill to keep milk prices from rising. It included another doc fix on medicare payments to doctors that would have taken place on Jan. 1.

Answer : We all love these democratic talking points. A lesson to all of you - what we said is inaccurate or misleading - but this is the good that we are all paying more out of our paychecks and there were NO cuts in spending. Too funny.

NOTE: the above is copy paste from the link above......

oh! i'm glad someone called him out on all his fallacies... and i think his answer was kinda lame.

it's kinda like catching a thief in the act and the thief turns around to say "oh, i love these citizens arrests. a lesson to you-- i'm committing a crime. but it's good that you're paying more attention to your security"


 


good one!

but hey, at least he's not faux news and he admits his error.
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Another thing I'd love to change.

Remove loopholes that the superwealthy use and get them paying an equal percentage of income. If they're already playing fair and paying an equal rate as the lower classes, they shouldn't have to pay MORE just because "they can afford it"
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