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Old 01.17.2013, 08:58 AM   #121
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Suicide is, like all human things, much more varied than the stereotypes about it.

These two twins, 45 years old, deaf since birth, were granted permission to be euthanized by their doctor from a Norwegian court. They have been deaf since birth, and are both going degeneratively blind. They have never been apart, and without their eye sight they wold have ended up living a "life" of pure terror. No communication, not knowing who was touching them, not being able to share anything with anyone. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-...go-euthanasia/

There is such a thing as "mercy killing."

and sometimes, it is self-inflicted.
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Old 01.20.2013, 08:22 PM   #122
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Old 01.20.2013, 11:38 PM   #123
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Grow up Bytor. Guns are weapons which are DESIGNED to harm and kill people, which is a world of difference between accidents. Even when a gun harms or kills a person in an accident, it was still doing EXACTLY what it was created to do. No one is going to outlaw guns, but you tell me what the fuck is wrong with (a) 100% background checks with no private sale/gunshow loopholes, (b) assault rifle bans, (c) ammunition restrictions? These things make it safer for everybody, gun-owners included. If y'all gun owners, can't y'all compromise in a way that is fair to the overall community?
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Old 01.21.2013, 02:51 AM   #124
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Grow up Bytor. Guns are weapons which are DESIGNED to harm and kill people, which is a world of difference between accidents. Even when a gun harms or kills a person in an accident, it was still doing EXACTLY what it was created to do. No one is going to outlaw guns, but you tell me what the fuck is wrong with (a) 100% background checks with no private sale/gunshow loopholes, (b) assault rifle bans, (c) ammunition restrictions? These things make it safer for everybody, gun-owners included. If y'all gun owners, can't y'all compromise in a way that is fair to the overall community?

If Bytor can't tell you what's wrong with all of that, I beleive I can.

100% background checks with no private sale/gunshow loopholes allows the government to pick and choose those among the citizenry who can own firearms according to their own criteria, which are becoming increasingly arbitrary. There is already talk of "gun nuts" and "disgruntled war veterans" which renders anyone who actually knows how to properly use and maintain a firearm a possible candidate for what Rahm Emanuel calls persons "outside of the American family":

"Back in 2007, Emanuel, then a member of the United States House of Representatives, told the annual Stand Up For a Safe America event sponsored by the Brady Center that Americans on the terrorist no fly list would not be allowed to own a gun.
At the time, according to the Inspector General of the FBI-administered Terrorist Screening Center, there were well over 700,000 names on the no-fly database and the list was growing at an astronomical rate of 20,000 records per month.
“The news that the list is growing tells us that more people’s rights are being violated. It’s a secret list, and the government puts people on it without any explanation,” said Nusrat Choudhury, an ACLU lawyer, last February."

(per: this article. (And notice the statement by that notorious right-wing organization, the ACLU!!!!)

b) assault rifle bans: the ability of the people to own military-grade weapons is the essential point of the 2nd Amendment, which speaks of the "maintenance of a free State" by means of a "well-regulated militia", meaning that the people (as the 2nd Amendment clearly states that the right to keep and bear arms is the right of the people, NOT that of the state) are free to be possessed of arms sufficient to destroy any tyrannical state, whether of internal or external origin.

c) Ammunition restrictions? I really don't believe the 2nd Amendment would allow for the cutting of the logistical lines of communication by those resisting the imposition of a tyrannical state upon the American people whose liberties are to be secured by means of the Constitution of the United States of America. Concerning the raid on the Federal Arsenal in Harper's Ferry, Virginia, whose purpose was to arm the slaves, I'm on John Brown's side. Are you?

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Old 01.21.2013, 08:28 AM   #125
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it's easy'er to be an agressive animal then a long-ter for peace animal

peacefull animals got mistaken for pushovers
because agressive animal states don't have the IQ to understand a peacefull - friendly choosen state by another animal


the animal can not be blamed for beeing dominating factor by birth and nature
you can blame an animal as a human if he/she had the chance to devellop peace and friendlyness on it's animal journey on planet nature
and did not choose to be friendly, peacefull

because human animals have massive examples of humans going wrong
if they do no brain effort to learn from the past

then wars will continue till the year 3000

till the home planet of all animals is destroyed, exploited, poisond by sapian apes

i'm here to enjoy my animal life on planet nature
if sapain apes go on with war , pollution, exploitation of future populations
using the future people as slaves
then it can eat it's own ape shit at the end of the ride and don't complain about a destroyed future for it's own childeren, grandchilderen

childeren can not live for ever in lies of politics and religion
the modern world sez YOU are 98% chimpansee simulair in your dna

accept the modern world
accept that you are only an animal from birth to death

not even the modern world can change that

love and accept that you are an animal ape specie
and let no one speak for you that you are not an that you are a submissive slave of god or politics or what ever lie the rich and popes and kings told the analpabetic people for 1000 of years
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Old 01.21.2013, 09:01 AM   #126
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i find it acceptable that an animal wants to be wishfull thinking when it is in deep need to stay alive, under extreem situations

wishfull thinking from out an animal brain doesn't mean that there is a god

think about it like this

my design of evolution, from cellife in water to the walking ape now, has a basic of survival
and that is food

my stomic needs food and water or i simply don't survive, this is realistic
if i imagine something from my brain

in my brain i imagine, food and water

fantasy don't help my survival
i still loose

this is nature vs imagination of walking ape sapian

who is going to win?

you will know that an empty stomic will lead to death
no matter what you imaginate, a conversation with god , food or other imaginations


if you take this to real wild nature
you will see how real this is

you have 2 walking apes (a) and (b)
(a) is a naturally orientated
(b) is religious

there are 2 jungles where (a) and (b) are released without food

after 1 day (a) and (b) have found no food
(a) sets it's mind on sharp, is NOT counting on help, and knows death is getting closer, the situation is evaluated and the animal knows what emergency situation it is living, alert and ready to keep and keep searching for food and water

(b) as a religious person will be keeping conversations with it's own imagination, asking god for help, asking god for food and water, and wishfully thinking that it will found food because he/she had a conversation with god


(a)[nature] has more survival chances than (b)[religious]


and to come back to agression
why walking apes kill other walking apes

it is nature
in animal groups there is massive agression on animals from the same animal group when there is stress or a need of food

the animals fight for food
you have seen it on the animal tv channels, nature documentaries
animals fight so the strongest dna is created for the next generation
to survive on planet nature
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Old 01.21.2013, 09:20 AM   #127
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the piont what i want to make is

don't be surprise that when you are born and grow up
you will see many genocides and brutalities commited by your own walking ape specie

before you were born

maybe you will see genocides happen during your life

i personally have seen many genocides happen and wars

i'm only 35 years

brevik, massa killing in sweden
columbine shooting
the batman movie shooting
and other shootings

then the wars with dictators and terrorist

and the wars that continue till this now
syria
mali
afganistan
pakistan

and maybe a new war israel vs iran


the walking ape has lost it's mind

the question for the future is

When will WE walking apes will have finally peace
and can live in natural harmony with other walking apes?




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Old 01.22.2013, 02:22 PM   #128
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And....another one.

Good job, America.
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And....another one.

Good job, America.

yeh reports coming in from a possible shooting at a college in Houston. people seen on stretchers apparently.
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Old 01.22.2013, 02:34 PM   #130
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some shooter entered Lone Star College's library and started shooting. The shooter is down, and ambulances with stretchers are going in the library. The cops are looking for a second suspect in the nearby woods.
http://www.khou.com/news/Reports-of-...187912461.html
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where are all the 'good guys with guns that stop bad guys with guns'?
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I am not certain,. but in Texas it is illegal to bring a weapon onto a school campus, even if you have a concealed handgun license.
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where are all the 'good guys with guns that stop bad guys with guns'?
Clearly, not a campus library.
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Wont be long now before every irresponsible gun owner has identified themselves by shooting a load of people, and then everyone can finally feel safe.
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Cue more conspiracy claptrap.
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According to statements by witnesses the shooting was a result of an argument between two people. One of them left the library, and then walked in blasting. shiiiiiit.
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Robert, please, stick to Jesus and the science, but when it comes to honestly trying to defend (1) loopholes in background checks which is, DUH, precisely how CRIMINALS get many of their guns, (2) citizens should have access to dangerous assault weapons, what, should we all get the right to own nuclear munitions because the gubment has them, (3) way to try to pull the John Brown card, but no, you fail, and John Brown and his family and militia were killed, and then an insane war followed which I also understand killed a lot more people, most with guns by no coincidence ;(


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According to statements by witnesses the shooting was a result of an argument between two people.
Generally speaking, isn't how that always works? Of the many people I know who've been shot, and the 8 who've been killed, most were the result of such circumstances.
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where are all the 'good guys with guns that stop bad guys with guns'?

Don't know, in Houston seems like the law came in guns blazing and took down the shooter and thankfully didn't hurt anybody else unlike at the Algerian hostage fiasco over the weekend. Meanwhile last week in Central California a kid walks into his classroom and shoots a classmate with a shotgun, the principal and teacher came in and talked him down. Nobody else got shot, nobody got killed, the shooter was apprehended. So who are the heroes exactly?
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Robert, please, stick to Jesus and the science, but when it comes to honestly trying to defend (1) loopholes in background checks which is, DUH, precisely how CRIMINALS get many of their guns, (2) citizens should have access to dangerous assault weapons, what, should we all get the right to own nuclear munitions because the gubment has them, (3) way to try to pull the John Brown card, but no, you fail, and John Brown and his family and militia were killed, and then an insane war followed which I also understand killed a lot more people, most with guns by no coincidence ;(


Generally speaking, isn't how that always works? Of the many people I know who've been shot, and the 8 who've been killed, most were the result of such circumstances.


OK, so where do I start:

1) You're precisely correct on that point. Which is precisely why I, hereby and herewith, advocate on behalf of a law which will forever prevent the hideous criminal offense-to-be of Hoplokleptic Matricide, the draught of which I here propose:

HOPLOKLEPTIC MATRICIDE

Any person who, with intent to cause the death of his/her female immediate ancestor, shall cause such death, for the purpose of unlawfully acquiring any firearm(s) or any other deadly weapon(s) then lawfully owned and possessed by such female immediate ancestor, shall be guilty of hoplokleptic matricide.

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Had such a law been in force in the State of Connecticut prior to 14 December, 2012, the Newtown Massacre would certainly never have occurred, as the alleged gunman would have had no lawful source by means of which he might have acquired his firearms.

HEY, WAIT A MINUTE!!! MURDERING YOUR MOTHER WAS ILLEGAL ON 14 DECEMBER 2012!!!

So, what really needs to be done is much more radical:

OUTLAW MOTHERHOOD!!!!

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The above has, clearly, been a spoof. The following, I promise you, constitute my actual opinions:

2) According to the concept of popular sovereignty, the American people DO, in fact, own the entire arsenal of the American Republic. Why have the American people no choice in how this arsenal is to be used? Why does big business, and their bought-and-paid-for government, enjoy the ability to arrogate to themselves the right to wield hideous weapons for which, not they, but the American people will have to bear responsibility? (Recall that the Bush Administration's jovial disregard of Geneva and Hague Convention safeguards for treatment of prisoners of war, still not disavowed by the Obama Administration, renders the United States bereft of legal standing concerning the treatment of her own sons and daughters should they be captured in whatever war the business interests currently controlling the US government will cook up next.)

3) PULLING THE JOHN BROWN CARD???? THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT!!!

 


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Originally Posted by Robert Schunk
If Bytor can't tell you what's wrong with all of that, I beleive I can.

Robert - it's not that I can't, but I often find it's a waste of my time.

Gun ownership is something that is and has always been. SuchFriends and others are talking about change and I don't see that sort of change coming without a massive fight. Several pages back, I shared my view about AR's and 30 round clips. Personally, I would probably vote against them.

America will never be given the opportunity to vote on these two things.

Our President is attempting to change the current laws. He is attempting to do so without giving the American population the opportunity to vote. Citizens of America and States in America are angry about this and will do all they can to fight it. More importantly, they have the money and power to do so......or at least drag it out. Pundits say that if our President doesn't get anything done within the first 3-4 months of his new term, he will slip into lame douche mode.

If this does happen, I look for our President to try and add an additional five trillion dollars to our deficit as he did in his first term......all the while never having a balanced budget.
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