[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by the ikara cult

Anyway, a teachers sanity should not be weighed up after we've put a handgun in his hand. In the UK we have had ONE definite case of a police officer wrongly killing a civilian with a gun in my whole life. You can trust the police with guns if they know that other people arent likely to have them.

This statement makes me more depressed than even the Newton shootings,because here in the Los Angeles area alone, we have about 100 officer involved shootings which result in death, and upwards of 30% of those figures are unarmed folks wrongly killed in the process of apprehension. In LA they have a shoot first explain later philosophy, and they don't shoot people in the leg, we're talking strictly kill shots

[Bytor Peltor]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

So would you really trust your kids' schoolteachers in a shootout not to hit your own children in the crossfire?

IF my child laid dead, not sure what difference it would make if the fatal shot came from an intruder or a teacher trying to protect the class......but in my scenario, I didn't envision a "shoot out."

I see a possibility of two options:

A) place your class in a corner / behind the teachers desk / file cabinets (whatever) and the teacher for that class room just protect her students. In other words, if the gunman didn't enter that particular classroom, that teacher wouldn't have to respond / use the weapon.

B) same as (A) but the teacher would venture out into the hallway closing the door behind her and would possibly use the firearm if the intruder walked down that hallway......not venturing throughout the school like a member of a S.W.A.T. team.

I realize that just because someone has their conceal carry doesn't mean they would actually squeeze the trigger when faced with the opportunity......it's rare, but even some police officers who graduate the academy are eventually demoted / removed from the force for failure to not being able to "draw down and fire."

Valid ID to purchase ammunition......me and my family wouldn't have a problem with it, but I'm guessing a ban on all hand guns has a better chance of passing. Speaking of ammunition......it's becoming so costly that only the privileged / well to do will be able to afford it in large quantities.

[jon boy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20838925

[foreverasskiss]

less equals more.

[foreverasskiss]

you know that part in Machine Gun were Jimi doesn't sing?

that's cool.

machine gun.

[tesla69]

inconsistencies for those who ask. Where is the video of Lanza busting through the front door. I will not believe they did not have video surveillance at a school in rich CT.

http://www.conspiracy-cafe.com/apps/...n-drive-my-car

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-san...mation/5316776

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12...ut-of-control/

[h8kurdt]

Originally Posted by tesla69

inconsistencies for those who ask. Where is the video of Lanza busting through the front door. I will not believe they did not have video surveillance at a school in rich CT.

http://www.conspiracy-cafe.com/apps/...n-drive-my-car

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-san...mation/5316776

God I really am beginning to despise this whole "it's the new world order trying to ban our guns!". Not a single thing on there gives the slightest bit evidence to say anything other than what has been shown.

A classic one is this one-

"Did a mass evacuation of the school take place?"

What you trying to hint at? That NO KIDS WHERE IN THE BUILDING?! Brilliant.

And then, suddenly and unfathomably, gunshots rang out. “I can’t even remember how many,” Varga said.[5]

The recollection contrasts sharply with an updated version of Lanza’s arrival where at 9:30AM

Everybody in the police force knows that one of the most unreliable things to go off is eye-witness reports. There's your version, my version and the truth to para-phrase.



Like I said, not a single thing points to anything other than the unfortunate situation that happened. The conspiracy nutjobs need to stop trying to crowbar anything to fit their fears of a New world order.

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by h8kurdt

A classic one is this one-

"Did a mass evacuation of the school take place?"

What you trying to hint at? That NO KIDS WHERE IN THE BUILDING?! Brilliant..

I think the writer is pointing out that the images you were shown repeatedly had nothing to do with the actual massacre.

trauma based mind control operating at a mass level.

maybe instead of parroting the mainstream media with its namecalling bullying, ("nutjob! nutjob! nutjob!) maybe you can tell us where the video surveillance is?

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by tesla69

I think the writer is pointing out that the images you were shown repeatedly had nothing to do with the actual massacre.

trauma based mind control operating at a mass level.

maybe instead of parroting the mainstream media with its namecalling bullying, ("nutjob! nutjob! nutjob!) maybe you can tell us where the video surveillance is?

(a) This the computer era, photographs and video is so easily manipulated I would think you of all pseudo-paranoid conspiracy folks would be the first to not trust such..

 

(b) You're request for video evidence is if anything all the more indicative of the reality that our society has devolved into an almost voyeuristic one, where we all demand photos and videos invading each others' mutual privacy. Tragedy is not an opportunity for TMZ coverage. I don't WANT to see surveillance video of dozens of small children being attacked, or their noble teachers panicking in the face of a microcosmic Apocalypse. Do you really need to see this video to accept that regardless of the circumstances, dozens of people mostly small children were slaughtered?

[h8kurdt]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

(a) This the computer era, photographs and video is so easily manipulated I would think you of all pseudo-paranoid conspiracy folks would be the first to not trust such..

 

(b) You're request for video evidence is if anything all the more indicative of the reality that our society has devolved into an almost voyeuristic one, where we all demand photos and videos invading each others' mutual privacy. Tragedy is not an opportunity for TMZ coverage. I don't WANT to see surveillance video of dozens of small children being attacked, or their noble teachers panicking in the face of a microcosmic Apocalypse. Do you really need to see this video to accept that regardless of the circumstances, dozens of people mostly small children were slaughtered?

This.

The thing is, there could be a smoking gun and a shooter right there, and conspiracy theorists still wouldn't be happy.

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

(b) You're request for video evidence is if anything all the more indicative of the reality that our society has devolved into an almost voyeuristic one,

All I asked for was the video of Lanza shooting in the front door of the school all by his lonesome. I don't wish to see a bunch of dead children. CSI on network TV serves that social function if desired.

Even the Chinese released this which shows more than I need to see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=cFqEnVqKUJ4

This article does ask some good questions:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12...ti-gun-psy-op/

and I was unaware this was going on:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/facebook...-accounts.html

[the ikara cult]

Originally Posted by tesla69

All I asked for was the video of Lanza shooting in the front door of the school all by his lonesome. I don't wish to see a bunch of dead children. CSI on network TV serves that social function if desired.

Even the Chinese released this which shows more than I need to see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=cFqEnVqKUJ4

This article does ask some good questions:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12...ti-gun-psy-op/

and I was unaware this was going on:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/facebook...-accounts.html

Perhaps you should contact all future child murderers and ask them to set up a lighting rig by the entrance of the school they wish to decimate, pose for a few seconds showing all angles of their face, recite their name and provide a signed, written, and sealed letter explaining themselves and their motives to you personally.

Ive actually been watching a few old 9/11 conspiracy "debates" over the last couple of days, theyre actually quite quaint now.

[h8kurdt]

Originally Posted by the ikara cult

Perhaps you should contact all future child murderers and ask them to set up a lighting rig by the entrance of the school they wish to decimate, pose for a few seconds showing all angles of their face, recite their name and provide a signed, written, and sealed letter explaining themselves and their motives to you personally.

Ive actually been watching a few old 9/11 conspiracy "debates" over the last couple of days, theyre actually quite quaint now.

Don't get me started on that one. I have one seemingly every week with a guy at work about it. Along with his theories that aliens built the Great Pyramid and the one about NWO ruling the world.

[the ikara cult]

Its because everyone has broadband now, they expect all the information to be crystal clear immediately and for there to be no contradictions or inconsistencies, which always happens in the immediate aftermath of a chaotic event. Conspiracy theorists then jump on these and link them together to form an alternative plot (Its always a plot, theres always a demon behind it) and when a more thorough investigation is done, anyone involved is part of a "cover up".

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by the ikara cult

Its because everyone has broadband now, they expect all the information to be crystal clear immediately and for there to be no contradictions or inconsistencies, which always happens in the immediate aftermath of a chaotic event. Conspiracy theorists then jump on these and link them together to form an alternative plot (Its always a plot, theres always a demon behind it) and when a more thorough investigation is done, anyone involved is part of a "cover up".

Isn't it interesting. For thousands of years of human culture and history, conspiracy thrives on the lack of available knowledge and information, building up like mythology. So in theory, in our modern, instant-gratification era of streaming video and uber-updated social medial privacy invasion, all conspiracies should have simply evaporated under the sheer absurdity of some of it. However, alas, the interwebs has actually made conspiracies even MORE entrenched than ever.. its really weird actually. Even something mundane like the "Fail Mary" fiasco between the Packers and the Seahawks. The more I watched videos and looked at dissected photos it was all the more clear to me that Seahawks caught the ball, and indeed, months later most sports writers are of the same conclusion. However at there are still all the more websites and diagrams trying in vain to prove the opposite, and 99% of Americans probably still think that Packers were robbed.. A picture really does say a thousand words, unfortunately its a thousand different words to a thousand different people..

[Keeping It Simple]

I want proof on film, ideally directed by Ridely Scott, that tesla69 uses the toilet regularly, as I'm not convinced he does.

[fugazifan]

Originally Posted by the ikara cult

Its always a plot, theres always a demon behind it

and somehow these theorists always find a way to blame the jews as i unsuprisingly saw in some of telsa's articles.

[h8kurdt]

Originally Posted by fugazifan

and somehow these theorists always find a way to blame the jews as i unsuprisingly saw in some of telsa's articles.

The level of antisemitism that runs through a hell of a lot of conspiracy theories really is just shocking.

[Bytor Peltor]

The State to Texas to the City of Houston......hold on there:

 

[Rob Instigator]

ahhh, the gun show....

The truth is that most guns used in crime are gotten illegally. They are not purchased from dealers, or at gun shows. The black market for guns is HUGE