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Old 12.17.2012, 07:15 AM   #41
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he cloned himself and cut his hair

Basically the killer looks like anyone with highcheek bones and wide-eyes e.g David Byrne (Talking Heads) or Ron Russell (Sparks).
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Old 12.17.2012, 02:09 PM   #42
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Jesus I wonder how many Americans STILL think that they should be allowed to own assault rifles etc.

I'll say this, as a usually jaded politics geek, Obama's speech regarding it was as heartfelt as can be.
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Jesus I wonder how many Americans STILL think that they should be allowed to own assault rifles etc.

I'll say this, as a usually jaded politics geek, Obama's speech regarding it was as heartfelt as can be.

I agree, it was a good sermon enough to force me to be quiet and listen. You know, we can politicize this all we want, talking about gun control and talking about the state of violence in our society as a result of economic and political discrepancies however in truth there is only one moral to take from this tragedy..

We never know how much pain people around us are carrying with them at any given moment. The way we treat our neighbors and the people around us can literally change the world. These people who go crazy and shoot all kinds of people at schools and malls and movie theaters have lost their mind. However, we don't know that one person could have prevented theses simply by being there to help unburden the pain from these people. So when you interact with people at your jobs, at the your schools, in your neighborhoods, at the corner store and the burger stand or the bus stop or anywhere else we interact with other people, always be positive, always be willing to listen, always be willing even to hug a stranger, because such positivity might just save a life, might just save a person from turning to such hopeless violence. Even if that person was just suicidal, you may have even just saved that single life by a single action.
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Old 12.18.2012, 03:04 PM   #44
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suchfriends is dead on right. Our own egos do not permit us sometimes to see that the world is not about US, and that everyone is suffering through something, whether they share it with you or not.

Here is what Kansas City QB Brady Quinn said following the murder/suicide of his teammate just a couple of weeks ago, after he had led the team to a win two days after the shooting.

"It was tough," Brady said. "I think it was an eerie feeling after a win because you don't think that you can win in this situation. The one thing people can hopefully try to take away, I guess, is the relationships they have with people. I know when it happened, I was sitting and, in my head, thinking what I could have done differently.
"When you ask someone how they are doing, do you really mean it? When you answer someone back how you are doing, are you really telling the truth?
"We live in a society of social networks, with Twitter pages and Facebook, and that's fine, but we have contact with our work associates, our family, our friends, and it seems like half the time we are more preoccupied with our phone and other things going on instead of the actual relationships that we have right in front of us.
"Hopefully people can learn from this and try to actually help if someone is battling something deeper on the inside than what they are revealing on a day-to-day basis."
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Old 12.18.2012, 10:00 PM   #45
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The National Rifle Association of America is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters – and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown.

Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common decency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting.

The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.

The NRA is planning to hold a major news conference in the Washington, DC area on Friday, December 21.

Details will be released to the media at the appropriate time.
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Old 12.20.2012, 09:12 PM   #46
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The way we treat our neighbors and the people around us can literally change the world. These people who go crazy and shoot all kinds of people at schools and malls and movie theaters have lost their mind. However, we don't know that one person could have prevented theses simply by being there to help unburden the pain from these people. So when you interact with people at your jobs, at the your schools, in your neighborhoods, at the corner store and the burger stand or the bus stop or anywhere else we interact with other people, always be positive, always be willing to listen, always be willing even to hug a stranger, because such positivity might just save a life, might just save a person from turning to such hopeless violence. Even if that person was just suicidal, you may have even just saved that single life by a single action.

You and I have had our disagreements, but this just might be the wisest thing I've read on this board. I agree with you 100%. Laws are important, but our culture needs to change. If any of you have children, teach them to love ALL people, not only family and friends. Teach them not only with your words, but with your actions. If someone seems like a misfit, and you can show just a bit of interest in that person, it can go a long way towards how that person feels. Every human being has something good to offer if given the chance.
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Old 12.20.2012, 09:24 PM   #47
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We need to remember and mourn these tragic shootings at mid-western white neighborhood schools. However, something as tragic, is that every week in the United States a teenager is shot and killed nearby or even at their school campus. Going to school in many neighborhoods in America, is literally a life and death matter. Not necessarily for privileged white kids, and that is why largely white tragedies like these take the spotlight, but why are the rest of dead and killed American teenagers not noticed? Where is their memorial? What always makes me upset in America is that very few Americans think of ALL Americans as being the same as them, as being equally American. We here in America are ALL Americans, and American tragedies should affect us all, not just when it happens in white neighborhoods. Let us mourn this tragedy today, but let us not neglect to mourn ALL the kids who are wrongfully killed by gun violence. Let us support those kids whose daily reality is one of menacing fear and foreboding dread.

Yes, you're right that all childrens' tragedies must be recognized and prevented. But what happened in Newtown would have been a big story had it happened in any American neighborhood to people of any color. What makes it especially shocking is that an adult, after killing his mother, travelled to the school specifically to murder these young children. That doesn't happen very often, and I find it hard to believe that it was such a big story because the children were white.

Certainly there are neighborhoods, many of them minority neighborhoods, where violence is part of daily life. And it's disgusting that more is not done about it. But I do believe that America is aware of it. There is a quite a bit of media coverage and pop culture references to minority gangs and crime in inner cities. "Bloods" and "Crips" are household words. I don't think the tragedy is that nobody notices, but the fact that not enough is done about it.
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YI don't think the tragedy is that nobody notices, but the fact that not enough is done about it.

In that regard, whether to mass shootings, school killings, or urban violence, indeed many folks take notice but not enough is done about it.
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Most everything in this article is documented in one form another up to The Motive, whcih I don't exactly buy.

http://rense.com/general95/mkultra.html

But this is weird:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibRw4...layer_embedded

And I've been wondering why we have been seeing one old grainy photo over and over. he started taking college classes at age 16. Sure he smashed his harddrive, but why can't the feebs and nsa recreate his activity looking at the isp records? And aren't there any security video from the school showing a single person busting in, and not the 3 killers some are speaking about.
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My cousins kid who is a freshman in high school......killed her first hog yesterday evening just after getting out of school. That is one big azz hog!


 
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Yeah, I'm sure she feels good about herself shooting dead an innocent, innocuous animal from a great distance with a sniper rifle. Hunting animals for sport has always been an abhorrence and it always will.
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That is a 300+ lbs Wild Boar that can kill a man.

The amount of devastation a pack of these can cause to Texas landowners is staggering......so much so they are free game at any time. In the State of Texas, you don't need a permit or hunting license to kill these. My only regret is she didn't kill one where our Federal Government pays out bounties on such a kill!

If you haven't heard, our Governor, Rick Perry, is all for backing teachers who have their conceal carry license to pack a gun in class if they choose to do so......some school districts are willing to pay extra to teachers who do so : )


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That is a 300+ lbs Wild Boar that can kill a man.

The amount of devastation a pack of these can cause to Texas landowners is staggering......so much so they are free game at any time. In the State of Texas, you don't need a permit or hunting license to kill these. My only regret is she didn't kill one where our Federal Government pays out bounties on such a kill!

If you haven't heard, our Governor, Rick Perry is all for backing teachers who have their conceal carry license to pack a gun in class if they choose to do so......some school districts are willing to pay extra to teachers who do so : )

everything about this post is awesome! are they going to eat that boar? i imagine it would be pretty tasty. also did she drink the blood after killing it?
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everything about this post is awesome! are they going to eat that boar? i imagine it would be pretty tasty. also did she drink the blood after killing it?

Dale, that is one of my favorite episodes from, King Of The Hill

In Texas, drinking the blood after such a kill is usually reserved for killing your first deer, usually when the hunter is still middle school age.

I failed to mention that the State of Texas did impose a limit of 300 kills per day when hunting wild boar from helicopters on property less than ten-thousand acres. On property that has more than ten-thousand acres, I believe the kill limit is 500 per day.

You won't be disappointed: http://youtu.be/LGC1tjHCSVE (notice how the wild boar are almost faster than the helicopter)

Deadly fast: http://youtu.be/5WwK_1SFE_8

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I noticed that she wasn't using a military style assault rifle with an extended magazine masquerading as a hunting rifle with silly names like Bushmaster. Neither was she carrying an over-powered yet easily concealable hand gun which essentially is designed to do one thing very effectively, hurt or kill other people. See, I can dig the hunting thing, and hunting riffles and shotguns I got no beef with. Its machine guns and dangerous pistols that concern me. I read a Republican OP-ED which mentioned that murder rates and gun violence are at historic lows, and yet these same Republicans refuse to concede that gun-control is the cause of this reduction. In all the major cities and states which had the highest murder rates, California-LA, New York-NYC, District of Colombia and DC, Illinois and Chicago, we've seen strict regulation imposed at a state and county level on guns, handguns, and especially ammunition. The result? Significant declines in homicide. In 1992 there over 3000 (!!!!!) murders in Los Angeles County. In 2012 there will have been less than 550.. What are gun owners so afraid of? Since when it is a constitutional right to own military weapons or extended magazines or several pistols? It is nobodies right, and as an American I will stand up to any motherfucker about this issue, period.

Tell the NRA to eat a fat dick yo!
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I noticed that she wasn't using a military style assault rifle with an extended magazine masquerading as a hunting rifle with silly names like Bushmaster. Neither was she carrying an over-powered yet easily concealable hand gun which essentially is designed to do one thing very effectively, hurt or kill other people. See, I can dig the hunting thing, and hunting riffles and shotguns I got no beef with. Its machine guns and dangerous pistols that concern me. I read a Republican OP-ED which mentioned that murder rates and gun violence are at historic lows, and yet these same Republicans refuse to concede that gun-control is the cause of this reduction. In all the major cities and states which had the highest murder rates, California-LA, New York-NYC, District of Colombia and DC, Illinois and Chicago, we've seen strict regulation imposed at a state and county level on guns, handguns, and especially ammunition. The result? Significant declines in homicide. In 1992 there over 3000 (!!!!!) murders in Los Angeles County. In 2012 there will have been less than 550.. What are gun owners so afraid of? Since when it is a constitutional right to own military weapons or extended magazines or several pistols? It is nobodies right, and as an American I will stand up to any motherfucker about this issue, period.

Tell the NRA to eat a fat dick yo!



I doubt my niece had a handgun on her person, but I know for a fact she knows how to use one: load, unload, point and shoot and hit what you're aiming at. I also have no doubt that her uncle next to her in the picture or her dad (the one taking the picture) were strapped as they never venture into the wilds without.

Personally, I have no desire to own assault weapons (riffle / machine gun style). I also believe 30 round clips are pointless, other than the helicopter video I posted earlier. I believe the Federal Government will somehow try to regulate these particular items. Make no doubt about it, the Federal Government will have a massive fight on it's hands and I doubt they will win, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if they did.

This being said, we're talking about the Federal Government where they never do anything black and white. Any restrictions they come up with will somehow be beyond the scope of assault weapons and this is will what will fuel the battle of gun owners rights.
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On a more serious note, I read earlier today that there had been 100 United States gun deaths SINCE Sandy Hook (over the past eight days) while Britain, France, Germany Japan, Sweden & Denmark combined for only 112 in all of 2011.
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I doubt my niece had a handgun on her person, but I know for a fact she knows how to use one: load, unload, point and shoot and hit what you're aiming at. I also have no doubt that her uncle next to her in the picture or her dad (the one taking the picture) were strapped as they never venture into the wilds without.

Personally, I have no desire to own assault weapons (riffle / machine gun style). I also believe 30 round clips are pointless, other than the helicopter video I posted earlier. I believe the Federal Government will somehow try to regulate these particular items. Make no doubt about it, the Federal Government will have a massive fight on it's hands and I doubt they will win, but it wouldn't her my feelings if they did.

This being said, we're talking about the Federal Government where they never do anything black and white. Any restrictions they come up with will somehow be beyond the scope of assault weapons and this is will what will fuel the battle of gun owners rights.

Why the massive fight? Who in their right mind honestly could contest a ban on ultra-dangerous weapons? They are called assault weapons because they were designed for forward military operations, an assault. Further, why do Americans need to own SEVERAL hand guns? Why not ask for an ID when buying ammunition? If it is for honest purposes, why not be honest about it? See these are the kinds of regulations that have worked in California and Los Angeles County for years now. We have state and local level assault weapons bans, hand gun purchase limits, and mandatory ID for ALL ammunition. The net result? Lawful gun owners have their shit, and we have less crime and murders as the criminals lose access.

Of course, Byron, you already should know that I am TOTALLY opposed to ALL gun ownership and sales in this country. The grim reality Americans need to face is that bad guys and good guys get their guns from the same places, so if you cut off the guns, you cut off the bad guys. This is what has worked in California and D.C. and N.Y.C and we believe it can work in the entire nation as well. As it is, if the Federal Government can't get its shit together, the local states, counties and cities can easily pursue as have California and New York.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people, but if you take away the guns, you eliminate more than half the chance. Other societies seem to be able to handle the responsibility of guns just fine, in Finland 1 in 3 people own a gun and their murder rates and gun violence rates are quite literally an embarrassment to American culture and society. So really, guns aren't the problem, but clearly armed Americans is
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Why the massive fight? Who in their right mind honestly could contest a ban on ultra-dangerous weapons?

Of course, Byron, you already should know that I am TOTALLY opposed to ALL gun ownership and sales in this country.

Thank you for your last post as it totally makes the point for me. Persons such as yourself will say one thing when the reality is they truly desire something else and this is why there will be a massive fight......not to mention the billions of dollars generated from the manufacturing of weapons.

This is probably the best place and time to mention this......since local states started submitting licenses for conceal carry, NOT ONE conceal carry individual has been involved in a mass shooting. Neither have they wrongfully shot / responded in an inappropriate way with their conceal carry weapons.


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Thank you for your last post as it totally makes the point for me. Persons such as yourself will say one thing when the reality is they truly desire something else and this is why there will be a massive fight......not to mention the billions of dollars generated from the manufacturing of weapons.

This is probably the best place and time to mention this......since local states started submitting licenses for conceal carry, NOT ONE conceal carry individual has been involved in a mass shooting. Neither have they wrongfully shot / responded in an inappropriate way with their conceal carry weapons.




Slow your roll. Society is about reality and reality is about compromise. Only the people can succeed in eliminating or prohibiting anything in their communities. It is not a top down, it is a bottom up situation. So legislation alone is empty to remove gun violence from our communities. At this stage in the game, a reasonable and adult compromise is to remove assault weapons, restrict hand guns, and regulate ammunition by ID-only purchasing requirements (as is the current scenario in California)

By removing all guns, I would not suggest strictly legislation rather a paradigm shift in the community. In LA we used to have gun shops all over the place, now just a few retailers. We also used to have 3000 murders, and now we have a six-fold decrease. Again, how can you as a gun owner defend owning military style weapons, or extended magazines, or multiple pistols, or completely unrestricted ammunition? Is it that hard for you to pull out your ID to by some more rounds if it will keep the criminals who you own your gun to protect yourself against from having ammunition in the first place?
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