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Old 02.17.2013, 01:39 AM   #121
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Fuuuuuck me, ....bunch of miserable cunts in this thread. I've been around a while and MBV (the band) have made a string of incredible music for 3 albums in a row now.

You sure are using a lot of strong words against people simply because they have opposing views on a band you seem to adore so much.

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I can't help but think that some of us are just so goddamn jaded that we find ways to be disappointed with anything and everything.

It's a NEW my bloody valentine album for fuck's sake!

Jaded? Hardly. Just from my own experience, I loved Dinosaur's comeback, especially Beyond. Superchunk returned with one of their best albums period in 2010. In Prism by Polvo was simply great. Mission of Burma has released a string of great records since reuniting. If you call them shoegaze, I'm beyond excited for the new Swervedriver record sometime this year.

The difference between those bands - as well as others - and MBV is they actually create a hook, a song, a melody, an interesting arrangement, etc. MBV is playing a barely audible vocals over the same droney chords throughout that particular song. I don't believe myself or any other "jaded" listener should have to apologize for wanting to listen to something better or more interesting.

And I'm not buying the whole, "It's a great record because it's a new My Bloody Valentine album! I never thought it would get released! For some reason that automatically makes it amazing!". Obeying to that logic, a new 'N Sync record would be incredible because they got Justin Timberlake to come back.

Like I said, if you enjoy the record, more power to you. But don't criticize others, calling us "cunts" or "jaded" simply because we don't have the excitement over it you do.
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Old 02.17.2013, 06:23 AM   #122
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The difference between those bands - as well as others - and MBV is they actually create a hook, a song, a melody, an interesting arrangement, etc. MBV is playing a barely audible vocals over the same droney chords throughout that particular song. I don't believe myself or any other "jaded" listener should have to apologize for wanting to listen to something better or more interesting.

And I'm not buying the whole, "It's a great record because it's a new My Bloody Valentine album! I never thought it would get released! For some reason that automatically makes it amazing!". Obeying to that logic, a new 'N Sync record would be incredible because they got Justin Timberlake to come back.

Like I said, if you enjoy the record, more power to you. But don't criticize others, calling us "cunts" or "jaded" simply because we don't have the excitement over it you do.

Nobody should apologize for anything, this is an open discussion and opinions may vary and may or may not tend to be very polarizing. Point taken and I can see were you come from but once again, we're not arguing on an objective standpoint. It's damn near impossible to view art and music in an objective manner anyway. What is 'better' or 'more interesting'? Most people on here love or at least find Loveless to be 'interesting', therefore an album that sort of sounds like Loveless will probably evoke the same feelings for said people (Me being one of them).

Nobody claimed it's a great record solely based on the fact that it's a new MBV album. I believe each one of us stated what exactly we like about the album at some point in the thread. I appreciate the fact that you stand up against some of those unjust insults but for the sake of discussion I have to tell you that mocking or looking down upon the reasons given by the album appreciators is sort of tapping in the same vein, albeit being less blatant.

All generality aside: In my opinion m b v does have melodies, songs and interesting arrangements. They're even damn recognizable and sweet if you ask me.
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Old 02.17.2013, 11:22 AM   #123
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I didn't mean to insult anyone. I think I myself am an incredibly jaded person. People are free think and feel whatever they think and feel. I'm just saying that for me, it's a new mbv album, and that alone makes it worth while.

Sorry. I really didn't mean to be all prickish about it.
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Old 02.17.2013, 01:11 PM   #124
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I'm glad I enjoy stuff in a different way than most people.
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Old 02.17.2013, 01:15 PM   #125
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Old 02.17.2013, 01:20 PM   #126
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Old 02.17.2013, 01:32 PM   #127
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Old 02.17.2013, 01:35 PM   #128
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Old 02.17.2013, 01:37 PM   #129
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Old 02.17.2013, 02:26 PM   #130
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You sure are using a lot of strong words against people simply because they have opposing views on a band you seem to adore so much.

The difference between those bands - as well as others - and MBV is they actually create a hook, a song, a melody, an interesting arrangement, etc. MBV is playing a barely audible vocals over the same droney chords throughout that particular song. I don't believe myself or any other "jaded" listener should have to apologize for wanting to listen to something better or more interesting.

Like I said, if you enjoy the record, more power to you. But don't criticize others, calling us "cunts" or "jaded" simply because we don't have the excitement over it you do.

Yeah, sorry, my previous post was done in half jest, and I apologize for it's harshness. Your middle paragraph quoted above though....YIKES! MBV does "abstract" things with their music, and some find this infinitely more interesting than something that is presented "clearly defined". To my ears, the arrangements are monumentally interesting, 20+ years after Loveless, precisely because each listen has me wondering exactly what it is they are trying (or maybe not trying?) to conjure up.
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Old 02.17.2013, 04:25 PM   #131
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Yeeeeeeeeah, sorry, my wu tang preveeeeeeious post was done in half jest, and I apologize for HAHA it's harshness. Your middle paragraph quoted above though....YIKES! MBV does "abstract" thingssssss THINGSSSSS with their musiC, and some find HAHA this SO GOOD infinitely more interesting than something that is PresenTed "clearly defined". To my EaRs, the arrangementsssssss are monumentally OH YEAH HMMmmm.... interesting, 20+ years after LovelesSsS, precisely psych folk because each listen has me wondering exactly what it is they are trying (or maybe not trying?) to Cnjure HAHA up.
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Old 02.17.2013, 10:16 PM   #132
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Old 02.18.2013, 01:46 AM   #133
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i am sorry to be a fucking contrarian but i never liked this band and i still don't like it. i mean the noise gloss is nice and all but what lies underneath it does nothing for me. sorry.

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Old 02.18.2013, 02:45 AM   #134
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I know it's important that this fucker has actually been released, and is deserving of merit for that fact alone, but if it didn't stand up on its own it would be wholly redundant. it does, though, even if it isn't necessarily an album (as much is obvious, I think). m b v is simultaneously exploratory and familiar, and I see it more as a jumping-off point for them, or at least a document of one of Shields' digressions as opposed to a fully-fledged statement. it will be very interesting to see where they go now, if anywhere.

they were fucking ace the other night, the holocaust was transcendental shit. watching those stupid little bearded arseholes who purportedly "value" the more outré forms of music run out with their fingers in their ears was a sight to behold.
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Old 02.18.2013, 10:35 AM   #135
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Can we at least agree that the cover art seems to have taken a little less time than the recording to produce?
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Old 02.18.2013, 01:25 PM   #136
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Haha, all of these opinions are exciting. I really love that cover art.
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Old 02.18.2013, 03:40 PM   #137
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The cover art seems alright, nothing mindblowing though. Didn't like the cover of Loveless at first but I have come to appreciate it.
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Old 02.25.2013, 03:53 AM   #138
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having taken a break from it for a week or two I've been listening to it again really heavily, and it has improved again (which is incredible considering how much I loved it the first time around. having seen them play it live twice last week my appreciation for new you has skyrocketed, as it has for if I am and in another way too. I previously thought that is this and yes and who sees you weren't up to scratch, but the detail on those tracks is absolutely astounding.

really an incredible effort on kevin's part, making an album that makes perfect sense but is still fairly beguiling.

also been listening to their dingwalls 88 bootleg a fair bit for the first time in a few years, if you haven't heard it I'd highly recommend it, up with their primavera auditorium 2009 and loom (vancouver 92) bootlegs not for the quality of the performance but for the fact that kevin incites a riot.
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Old 02.25.2013, 02:12 PM   #139
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Well the album FINALLY came in the so I was able to get a real gander at the cover. I think it's a pretty good cover. My only gripe would be the MBV (yes I'm aware that it's the main bit) is a shit colour and font. The blue background is great though.
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Old 02.26.2013, 10:40 PM   #140
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... an album that makes perfect sense but is still fairly beguiling.

Well put! I don't think I've ever heard anyone break it down so perfectly. My appreciation for the album is also growing, though I still can't shake the after effect of feeling like I NEED to listen to Isn't Anything before something bad happens.

I have to admit, however unexpectedly, that I'm not making early declarations about it being the best album of the year, which seems like the kind of thing I'd do. But with all fandom and expectation aside, it definitely holds its own in 2013. My first time listening to it was one for the books. I'm giving it an extended rest, to avoid desensitizing myself to the "Doing Corkscrews in an airplane" feeling it has inspired in me.
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