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Old 10.13.2012, 09:47 AM   #21
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Sell out is an accurate description of some artists, actually.
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Old 10.13.2012, 11:53 AM   #22
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Sell out is an accurate description of some artists, actually.

There is a world of difference between being successful and selling out. It is a judgment call, but it is obvious to those who as we say, who feels it knows it.

To the Subhumans critics.. meh.
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Old 10.13.2012, 03:21 PM   #23
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Sell out is an accurate description of some artists, actually.

Like who? (Seriously, not trying to wind you up, genuinely interested)
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Old 10.14.2012, 12:53 PM   #24
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Old 10.16.2012, 09:47 AM   #25
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Over the years I've found that the individuals who take the time to complain about Brian Eno spending time in the studio producing the likes of U2 & Coldplay are the same individuals who don't buy or listen to Brian Eno solo efforts.
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Old 10.17.2012, 10:43 AM   #26
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Wait, isn't gawking over punx the antithesis of the punk ethos in the first place? I've met Dick from Subhumans a few times, so what?

I don't disagree, but in terms of music that has given me enjoyment for 30 years (sheesh whoever thought I'd get old) I wanted to give some credit where due. Never Mind the Bullocks is remains a great rocknroll record, and Second Edition still holds up for me.

About the Subhumans, so what indeed.

I don't know nuthin about Lydon's mass media adventures, I guess I haven't been paying attention, but you know what, I don't grudge him for making a living.
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Old 10.17.2012, 11:23 AM   #27
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Quick question: THE DEFTONES: more or less 'sellouts' than The Sex Pistols?



@tesla: that's really exciting. I had the same sort of run-in, in New York, with Gibby Haynes. I felt like a massive dick (and decidedly less-than-cool) for saying hello, but it was Gibby Motherfuckibg Haynes. That said, I'd trade John Lydon for Martin Atkins any day.
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Old 10.17.2012, 11:41 AM   #28
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Old 10.17.2012, 11:44 AM   #29
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Old 10.17.2012, 05:10 PM   #30
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Technically, selling out means:

Disavowing owe's principles (artistic or otherwise) in order to cash in.

As far as I know, U2 isn't dying to make a drone album. While I may not care for their music, I suspect they do more or less what they want. They may have shitty taste, but U2 aren't sell-outs.

Johnny Depp only stars in medium-high to big budget films because he only cares about a fat pay check. If he's ever in a good one, it's incidental. Johnny Depp is a sell-out.

However, I am sympathetic to the need for some money. Steven Soderbergh vacillates between Hollywood films that are not-to-insulting to great and experimental, indie films. His own taste dictates his choices. Hell, he walked away from directing Moneyball because he had problems with the script, even though he knew it was a Pitt vehicle and was bound to make a bundle. Despite making the Ocean's movies, Soderbergh is not a sell-out.

Not sure how I went from music to acting to directing, but there you have it.
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Old 10.17.2012, 09:04 PM   #31
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Quick question: THE DEFTONES: more or less 'sellouts' than The Sex Pistols?


That is a legitimate question. The only difference is in the punk ethos, selling out is the forbidden fruit, in other kinds of music it is offensive but for different reasons. When you make political art, you have to stand up for political ideals, and when your art becomes a culture, you can't exploit it as a a commodity. Success is not inherently selling out, but we ALL know when it is.
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Old 10.18.2012, 12:01 AM   #32
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If I ever make even one song even half as enduring and perennially relevant as "Religion," I will feel zero guilt about making butter commercials. Damn if I'm ever working with Steve Vai, though.

And I think the Pistols were as blatant of a marketing scheme as there ever was and never pretended to be anything else. They made a goddamned movie about it.

The point is that this man wound up making at least three or four records post-pistols that genuinely pushed the boundaries of the rock form in legitimately incredible and lasting ways. As far as I can tell, the man has been underpaid for that body of work alone.

Side note: Deftones are fucking awful.
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