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Old 02.22.2012, 08:39 PM   #101
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to me its very simple- communism and socialism are both systems of government that can only work sucessfully in a "utopian" situation, where no one lies and no one skims off the top but history has shown us time and time again that when you put all the power in the hands of the govt and "trust" them to do the right thing with the money, they never do. They always get greedy and keep some for themselves, leading the a larger gap between the have's and the have nots. Another problem with the communist socialist ethic is in its idea of what the role of government is. To them, the role of the government is to give things to people and to provide everything to its citizens by taxing them to pay for it. This always leads to corruption because the people who collect this money cannot keep themselves from using it in selfish ways. The only way that humans will reach a utopia is VOLUNTARILY. You cannot force a situation on anyone and expect them to love you for it, no matter how many awesome things you give them in return. We must all, as a people, work to create a beautiful, giving, environment around each other by working together and coming up with solutions to our problems, not by bending others to our will through the use of law.

it's not about theft or corruption, which happens everywhere, it's about the stupidity of trying to figure out how many pairs of boots and of what sizes to produce for next winter, and how much leather needs to be ordered, and kept on inventory; and instead of this being coordinated by prices in a market that includes customers, storekeepers, shoemakers, tanners, cattle farmers, hay and suppliers, and makers of laces, and makers of those eyelets where the laces go in, and the materials that go into all them, it's done by some perhaps gifted and idealistic but inevitably doomed to fail bureaucrat in the bowels of some enormous ministry.
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Old 02.22.2012, 08:42 PM   #102
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Old 02.23.2012, 11:26 AM   #103
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For the most part I agree with this and I think your criticisms are mostly on-point.



I would also argue that unemployment is only a problem because capitalism has shut people off from utilizing their own labor to provide for themselves. In order to do that, you need a loan or capital (for a farm or a business) and most people can't get either.

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I'm not even following anything here but I just read this and I'd like to add that while that's true in Europe, in some places capital is ridiculoulsly easy to get to start up your own business/activity and that is encouraged. In my culture, the idea to provide for yourself with your own labor is more valued than the idea of finding a job.
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Old 02.23.2012, 01:39 PM   #104
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that ship has sailed. i don't know what could stop global trade at this point. .

The cost of movement of goods and the flattening of labor cost differentials. The advantage of manufacturing in China is around 5% now, as fuel costs go up, Chinese workers demand fair wages and the general business environment gets more expensive.

Outright regulation could stop this, just as regulation allowed this. The US Congress could vote to not renew NAFTA and these other "free" trade agreements.
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Old 02.23.2012, 01:40 PM   #105
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there have always been kim kardashians ...

they used to be known as saloon girls
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Old 02.23.2012, 03:20 PM   #106
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they used to be known as saloon girls

i think kim kardashian would have been a little more highly rated than that

she's depraved, that's for sure, but she would have been a governor's mistress in the time of the saloons. maybe. okay maybe too stupid for that. but she's still great to look at, the minx. she makes over 80 million dollars a year doing that.

i wonder how hard she laughs when the camera is turned off!
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Old 02.23.2012, 03:24 PM   #107
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This thread takes me back to my student union days. Sitting around talking about politics, not really having a clue what we were talking about.

Nóstos álgos.
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Old 02.23.2012, 05:05 PM   #108
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This thread takes me back to my student union days. Sitting around talking about politics, not really having a clue what we were talking about.

Nóstos álgos.

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssss.

i almost got a doctorate and i still know nothing! seriously, i'm as clueless as the day i was born.

what's that phrase you wrote at the end? croatian for "our algae"?

 
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Old 02.24.2012, 08:44 PM   #109
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Back in the old days of Communist China when all problems had been solved by making everything free, they still had famines and not just because the collective owned your teeth.

So some farmers secretly got together and decided that each family should have their own plot of land and if they grew excess food they could keep it. Shockingly they decided to bind themselves to this concept by creating and signing that most capitalist of documents, a contract.

full story http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/...sc=tw&cc=share

Too bad the Commies still feel the need to confiscate profitable enterprises.
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Old 02.25.2012, 06:32 AM   #110
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what's that phrase you wrote at the end? croatian for "our algae"?

 
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Old 02.25.2012, 08:31 AM   #111
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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssss.

i almost got a doctorate and i still know nothing! seriously, i'm as clueless as the day i was born.

As Socrates said, "wisdom is knowing how little we know".
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Old 02.25.2012, 12:28 PM   #112
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As Socrates said, "wisdom is knowing how little we know".


pookie sez socrates said "eat yr algae"

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