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Old 04.04.2014, 02:44 PM   #37381
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what i'm saying is that cigarettes provide you with something. what is that exactly? phenomenologically? biochemically? symbolically? behaviorally? socially?

if you can figure out what are the multiple payoffs, you can hack the mechanisms so that the animal gets the same or similar payoffs from other less "evil" (as you call them) sources.

cigarette companies are not omnipotent beings that cannot be defeated. they arrived to their formulas through trial an error, not through total control of the universe. their executives are whistling in the dark just like everyone else. they hack the animal, the animal hacks back.

yeah. but i am all out of hacks!
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Old 04.04.2014, 02:52 PM   #37382
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There is no purpose nor reason for existing. we all innately know this but we shy away from it and run to religion, or metaphysics, or some sort of surrogate that gives our lives "purpose."

I love life. I love to enjoy good food, good cigars. I wish I could drink cold beers on hot days but I am allergic to alcohol, so no go there. I enjoy learning. I enjoy art and music and making art.

These things are enough fro me to consider life worthy and to consider my life well lived.

I hope you can find somethings that make life beautiful dead_battery. I bet you have some but they are overshadowed by the suckage. I do not mean to assume, just wondering.

addiction of any kind is not rational. it is not a decision. The decision comes in fighting the addiction, at all cost, even to the death.
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Get to know facts before you start worrying. Pollution, radon gas, workplace pollutants, chemicals in your home (cleaning solutions, hairspray, etc), and plain ol genetic mutation cause a shit ton of lung cancer.

Its simple math, smoking causes lung cancer, period, end of discussion. Even more it contributes to all kinds of different cancers. There is no debate about this, the science you all love so much is quite conclusive about this. Its not a conspiracy from tobacco companies, these carcinogens are naturally occurring in the plant, its part of its evolutionary survival mechanism. Nicotine is a great drug for humans who weigh over a hundred pounds, but for insects that weigh less than grams it is an instant nerve toxin..

Its not just cancer, because nicotine causes vascular restriction for about 20 minutes after ingestion it is also a significant contributing factor in heart disease and heart attacks which actually kill more smokers than cancer. There is really no way around this..


Also, libertarian fantasies aside, smoking is not just a public health issue, but an economic one. People may think they have the freedom to smoke, and they do, but when they are dying in hospitals from debilitating cancers, well, shit, the massive expenses raise the rates for EVERYBODY, even worse still if they don't have private insurance and rely on the government. Then its our tax dollars at work paying for a suicidal dumbass.

Rob, glad you quit, I also smoked a pack and half of Winstons for 10 years. I quit like you, because I noticed the negative health effects starting..

Smoking is like ALL drug abuse, it is needlessly caustic and self-destructive, however we have more or less accepted it as "normal" behavior in adults. Thankfully public attitudes are changing rapidly over the past 10-15 years.. Here in LA you are literally more likely to see people smoking POT on the street than a cigarette, and you're more likely to get harassed by some passerby for smoking a cigarette than a joint.
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imagine the fucking impossibility of the political project i am advocating here.

telling people the truth - they have no self, intentionality or free will, then trying to organize ourselves in such a way to put a stop to what are highly profitable drug selling operations. the very things that allow us a (momentarily) pleasurable sensation of death

You propose something that takes free will to do.
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Old 04.04.2014, 02:54 PM   #37385
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yeah. but i am all out of hacks!

have you looked at what are the payoffs of smoking though? what's the reward?

it's easy to say "cigarettes are terrible" because it's what everyone says, but it's much harder to say "cigarettes are delicious because…" and write a long fucking list of reasons.

and i'm not asking you for cigarettes as a universal entity.

i'm asking-- what are cigarettes to you? What do they give you? I'm not asking you to give me a pre-canned response, what you already know, cigarette executives made you do it. Rather, I'm suggesting the use of observation, note taking, experimentation, analysis. etc., to find out what makes smoking such a great passion. Break the experience into all of the components you can notice-- physiological, emotional, sensory, intellectual, etc. What are the triggers, how is satisfaction achieved… Take time to get to know your circuits. From the initial purchase to cleaning the ashtray to the next purchase.

Or, as an animal--learn to stalk your prey before you try to chase it. What it eats. Where it eats. When. How it reacts to the weather. Where it sleeps. Etc.

I didn't say it wouldn't be a lot of work ha ha ha. But it can be fun if you have the inclination.
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Its simple math, smoking causes lung cancer, period, end of discussion. Even more it contributes to all kinds of different cancers. There is no debate about this, the science you all love so much is quite conclusive about this. Its not a conspiracy from tobacco companies, these carcinogens are naturally occurring in the plant, its part of its evolutionary survival mechanism. Nicotine is a great drug for humans who weigh over a hundred pounds, but for insects that weigh less than grams it is an instant nerve toxin..

Its not just cancer, because nicotine causes vascular restriction for about 20 minutes after ingestion it is also a significant contributing factor in heart disease and heart attacks which actually kill more smokers than cancer. There is really no way around this..


Also, libertarian fantasies aside, smoking is not just a public health issue, but an economic one. People may think they have the freedom to smoke, and they do, but when they are dying in hospitals from debilitating cancers, well, shit, the massive expenses raise the rates for EVERYBODY, even worse still if they don't have private insurance and rely on the government. Then its our tax dollars at work paying for a suicidal dumbass.

Rob, glad you quit, I also smoked a pack and half of Winstons for 10 years. I quit like you, because I noticed the negative health effects starting..

Smoking is like ALL drug abuse, it is needlessly caustic and self-destructive, however we have more or less accepted it as "normal" behavior in adults. Thankfully public attitudes are changing rapidly over the past 10-15 years.. Here in LA you are literally more likely to see people smoking POT on the street than a cigarette, and you're more likely to get harassed by some passerby for smoking a cigarette than a joint.

what are the most money making products? the addictive ones. Gambling, porn, cigarrettes, food/sugar, ALCOHOL worst of all. Cash rules everything around the USA.
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Old 04.04.2014, 02:56 PM   #37387
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we're already living in a state which could very easily lock me up and forcibly medicate me for making those comments where i fantasize about becoming a terrorist and giving tobacco company execs lung cancer.

the algorithms that are scanning this post are sorting it for key words right now.

clinging to the delusion of free will is like having an advertisement for your own fucking enslavement and death emanating from your own fucking mouth!

and speaking out against it is social suicide for an animal that has darwinian reasons for making itself look like its in control.

there's BIG PROFIT in addiction. BIG FUCKING PROFIT.

did you know that when the financial crash happened in 08, one of the american banks hired an analyst who discovered that something like 70% of the entire economies assets were criminal in some way.

this entire fucking edifice is propped up by addiction, crime, cannibalization.

and we're the fucking cattle! begging for scraps from the fucking table, trapped in a videogamed reality in which we're constantly monitored, assessed, survielled, and subjected to neuro hacks to get us to SPEND NOW and CONSUME MORE.
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Old 04.04.2014, 02:59 PM   #37388
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There is no purpose nor reason for existing. we all innately know this but we shy away from it and run to religion, or metaphysics, or some sort of surrogate that gives our lives "purpose."

I love life. I love to enjoy good food, good cigars. I wish I could drink cold beers on hot days but I am allergic to alcohol, so no go there. I enjoy learning. I enjoy art and music and making art.

These things are enough fro me to consider life worthy and to consider my life well lived.

I hope you can find somethings that make life beautiful dead_battery. I bet you have some but they are overshadowed by the suckage. I do not mean to assume, just wondering.

addiction of any kind is not rational. it is not a decision. The decision comes in fighting the addiction, at all cost, even to the death.

yeah yeah i hear this everywhere over and over again.

beauty - enjoyment. over and over again.

it means shit to me. i will stake my lonely little patch of bitter fucking dirt and scream over and over again about all this, and refuse to play the game of pretending to find an alternative but struggling and screaming about this shit until i annoy people so much they want to murder me.

if i die of lung cancer id like to have some tobacco exec kidnapped and someone to force my decomposing cancerous lungs down his fucking throat. that would be "enjoyable".

it makes me feel sick to even talk like i enjoy anything. and im pretty sure beauty and death are exactly the same thing for mammals like us.
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Old 04.04.2014, 03:02 PM   #37389
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the fact is - we HAVE to recognize this as a collective ethical catastrophe and not an individual personal problem to be overcome by adjustment to life in a way that makes us hedonic and compliant.
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i REFUSE to accept that this is my fault.

it's not my fault. its not the alcoholics fault.

for me, it'll just be cancer or something. the alcoholic might beat his wife to death or smash his car into someone.

the parent who is an addict can end up seriously damaging their kids lives because of it.

i fucking refuse to accept that the answer is to just say "all we can do is find different enjoyments."

no, that alcoholic has been neurologically hacked for profit, and in fact, by taking this position and absolving him of the FALSE responsibility of magically overriding the physical state of his brain with a supernatural conceptual construct of will, I am the one whose actually defending true free will here.
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if you want to talk about free will, then i say that the society that exercises its free will and sells the drug to the addict is responsible.


they have the free will to handle the drug without being compelled to consume it to excess. the alcoholic doesn't, and they know this, and they profit big time off him because of it. then they blame him and tell him to sit alone at home and just think about having free will harder. meanwhile the off licence is open. the pub is open. the alcohol is always there. he will always be sold it.
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we are selling each other memetic constructs that describe a supernatural sense of will but omit the physical status of the brain, genome and body.

we are profiting off addiction and also profiting off the sobriety industry. the determination to quit industry.

it's a trap and it's evil and it's causing misery and suffering.
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when i last had a job an alcoholic came in with a shitty phone he wanted to sell to us. we didn't buy it. my co worker knew him and knew that he had found the phone on the street. he told me that this alcoholic HAS NO ELECTRICITY in his home. he just sits and drinks in the dark or wanders the street looking for money or ways to get free booze.

i felt disgust at this guy, and my co worker expressed something similar in his tone of voice. and it's natural for us to behave like this because we're animals primed for social status. but at the same time, this poor fucking bastard is one of us. a human being! think of what other things he could be doing with his time!

imagine if we could STOP selling alcohol to people like this. imagine if we had the ability to collectively deny them their drug of choice.

thats the thing about addiction, unless its booze or skag or whatever, the withdrawal is usually easy. the fact is if the drug is not there, you just dont do it. eventually you're fine.

it's just not acceptable to me that its IMPOSSIBLE for us organize a way to stop addiction from destroying people
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the fact is - we HAVE to recognize this as a collective ethical catastrophe and not an individual personal problem to be overcome by adjustment to life in a way that makes us hedonic and compliant.

of course you're right, but this is no cure for your immediate problem.

it's like having a house fire and complaining that the town lacks a properly funded fire department. all well and good! but first you have to make it to the city council alive to make that point.

and don't forget that the grassroots can also defeat top-down approaches. anti-smoking "fascism" (as it's called by its opponents, including me at one time) in america is growing by leaps and bounds thanks to a social movement that started with a few individuals and is now an established force.

consider then that when you quit smoking you remove a profit center from your enemies. when you teach that to someone else you remove two. then they teach that to someone else, and things can grow exponentially. yes, the struggles are infinite and endless but they have to be fought regardless, no?
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yes. but as long as we decide it begins and ends with individuals not partaking, and structures that encourage and develop new addictions remain in place, we are fighting the same battle over and over again and never really getting anywhere.
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lets say i quit - and lets say i dont die of an illness caused by all the damage i've already done. well good for me.

it just means the system that targeted me is now targeting another victim.

i was the kid who said i'd never smoke. i was the good kid who understood the rational arguments, understood that it was a fucking idiotic idea. i was very well educated.

and look what happened!

and of course everyone says "well that was your choice!".

post christian morality, we're all confronted with heaven and hell every moment and where we end up is entirely our responsibility.

something tells me that secular versions of this fantasy DO NOT WORK and DO NOT ACTUALLY STOP the fucking problem of addiction from occurring no matter how appealing and sensible they might sound.
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you can't dangle something as appealing as a prohibited and intensely enjoyable way to die in front of a fucking human and expect them not to bite, then condemn them when they do! that's fucking sick!

then lecture them over and over again about how its all their free will and their choice! we're fucking dying animals! all we do is die! give us a way to do it that feels good and you can bet your fucking ass we'll take it! how could we resist?
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btw im not trying to rant at symbol or anyone else specifically here
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im not saying that you should quit your social struggles. actually i find reading your comments refreshing but not just at the entertainment level, but rather-- in a way gets my brain unstuck from programming, i.e., excessive focus on the individual. and this influences my everyday choices and actions.

BUT there is an individual front regardless. you either fight it or abandon it. the fight doesn't end in that particular front, but who would you rather have occupying that biopower station? The merchants of death?
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