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Old 04.04.2014, 12:54 PM   #37341
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Doesn't quitting make you feel awesome, powerful, full of life? No?

absolutely but I miss the pleasure of a drum and could pick up where i left off in an instant, even after 6 or 7 years
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Old 04.04.2014, 01:00 PM   #37342
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i dont drink alcohol anymore.

some people shouldnt get drunk and im one of them.
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Old 04.04.2014, 01:05 PM   #37343
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e-cigs aren't for me....they're weird and burn ya throats. I can't stand 'em.


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Old 04.04.2014, 01:10 PM   #37344
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i dont drink alcohol anymore.

some people shouldnt get drunk and im one of them.

i need to get drunk 2-4 times a year, like the old pagan festivals. it purges my emotions. i feel very clearheaded and alive for months afterwards. i hate drunkards, but this is different.

fortunately, i have a friend who possesses the exquisite hospitality to throw great bacchanalias. thank fuck for louisianians. they're the last vestige of human culture in america.
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Old 04.04.2014, 01:22 PM   #37345
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Ha! You ex-smokers are only remembering the good times.

There are cigs that taste great, relax, and envelope one in wonderfulness.

But the vast majority are consumed because the body's crying out. You smoke 'em, probably not even paying much attention to the experience. Just getting a drug into the system so the system doesn't turn on you.
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Old 04.04.2014, 01:29 PM   #37346
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I dunno. When's the last time you heard of someone getting lung cancer and thinking to yourself, "Well, at least he got to smoke."

When's the last time a non-smoker got to age 90 and you thought, "Yeah, but they never enjoyed the smoking habit. What a waste."

Don;t believe the hype

"Every year, about 16,000 to 24,000 Americans die of lung cancer, even though they have never smoked. In fact, if lung cancer in nonsmokers had its own separate category, it would rank among the top 10 fatal cancers in the United States."

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/news/wh...kes-nonsmokers

Get to know facts before you start worrying. Pollution, radon gas, workplace pollutants, chemicals in your home (cleaning solutions, hairspray, etc), and plain ol genetic mutation cause a shit ton of lung cancer.
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Old 04.04.2014, 01:31 PM   #37347
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Old 04.04.2014, 01:37 PM   #37348
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Ha! You ex-smokers are only remembering the good times.

There are cigs that taste great, relax, and envelope one in wonderfulness.

But the vast majority are consumed because the body's crying out. You smoke 'em, probably not even paying much attention to the experience. Just getting a drug into the system so the system doesn't turn on you.
same as everything. in the end everyone gets sick, old, and dies.

but if you wanna quit by all means quit. i did. i'm not saying "don't quit", i'm just saying, don't tell yourself lies. you have to face the truth that you like smoking-- admit it. smoking is the crazy girlfriend who blows you in public places and then gets you thrown in jail. yes, you need to kick her to the curb, but don't lie about her merits--at least be honest.

i quit smoking with a clear head and without lies about it. i did it because i wanted-- the costs outweighed the benefits, so i did it. no mythical powers, no paradise on earth or other nonsense. life is hard. i just took the pain and quit smoking--end of story. but i'll always remember the good times.
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Old 04.04.2014, 01:48 PM   #37349
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i did it because i wanted-- the costs outweighed the benefits, so i did it.

So, what are the benefits?

If we're taking a cavalier, "Life's short, we all die, have fun" attitude, I don't understand why you made the choice you made.

And Rob, fun stats, but 500,000 smokers die each year. My number's coming up. I can feel it.
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See, I'm a nervous smoker.

But whenever I've tried to quit, I go fucking homicidal when I'm not suicidal. Bad for everyone.

I can't win.
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So, what are the benefits?

If we're taking a cavalier, "Life's short, we all die, have fun" attitude, I don't understand why you made the choice you made.

that's not my attitude at all! and i already mentioned the benefits over a couple of pages!

but damn, maybe smokes don't actually help with reading, after all. oxygen deprivation > nicotine stimulation.

TRY THE PATCH.
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but my tongue is not all red and fucked, and i can breathe better, and i'm not coughing all the time. also, smoking is supposed to be bad for boners.

This?
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I'm confused. Dead battery is freaking out. I have been too, so I join in.

Then everyone seems to be saying don't sweat it.

That's all I've understood so far.
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See, I'm a nervous smoker.

But whenever I've tried to quit, I go fucking homicidal when I'm not suicidal. Bad for everyone.

I can't win.

the benefit for you then is non-criminality. i'd rather be out of jail and smoking than imprisoned.

but…. i never got that way though. i didn't "project" my craving psychologically--- i felt it in the flesh as a physical thing, and i confronted it directly and sucked it up. withdrawal is different for everyone i suppose.

sounds like you're gonna need to schedule a vacation. i can't imagine quitting in an office. i would probably kill people then.

maybe it's the office that's the problem.

try the patch maybe? for sirius. at least till you can get away.
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the "enjoy" attitude is pure ideology. our society, like rome when it turned into a decadent dystopia and was destroyed, now has only one commandment - ENJOY. and we all conform to it totally, and we get aggressive when anyone dissents. EVERY FUCKING DAY some redundant cunt is sneering "ITS JUST ENJOYMENT" over and over again.

i feel like fuck you you piece of inhuman shit, but i also feel like trying to resist this injunction is doomed and dangerous and impossible. i am also the inhuman piece of shit who wants to consume myself to a sugary cancerous death in the middle of all this decadent nihilism. its pure contradiction.

enjoyment is used to justify the literal HARVESTING of bodies by commodities that are engineered for maximum addiction. its used to justify everything bad about us. on the one hand the only purpose of life is death, and so enjoyment in consumer societies is a kind of freedom from all sorts of evil and dangerous alternatives. on the other hand, we're all dupes that are basically collaborating with our own nazi prison guards who are making lampshades out of our skin - or money out of our lungs. same principle really.

thats why this "personal choice" shit is so evil. we know from neuroscience that we basically have no free will or intentionality, but that it evolved as a way for us to take social responsibility of behaviours, which obviously is a vitally important tool that has lots of benefits and survival mechanisms built into it.

so we kind of psychologically abuse ourselves en mass with this constant affirmation of our will in a supernatural sense. like we literally exist in this space where reality is not happening, and we can make causal deliberations a priori. therefore we can just "decide" not to smoke, and when we finding ourselves smoking in spite of this, well, you've only got yourself to blame. better try harder and buy more shit. communicative capitalism wants your story of personal determination.

but the fact is that cigarette is an object that exists on an equal footing with you. you only have the barest hallucination of what your brain is doing, introspection occurs after the fact. your brain has already made its decision before you're consciously aware of it

ive literally spent years now locked in a death spiral with cigarettes, thinking about them every second of everyday. my day is basically smoking. everything else is barely important. either trying to quit or failing and feeling guilty. my health is getting worse.

on the one hand, why the fuck not smoke myself to death? on the other i have other things i want to do. i want to never think about these things again.

and i'm trapped like this, with all the millions of other isolated individuals. locked into our own lonely fucking deaths.

its not just cigarettes and narcotics. junk food is literally engineered to addict you. society destroys you then profits off your suffering by selling you medication. its one big orgy of bodies cannibalizing each other for profit. we're all trapped in it and we can't do anything but collaborate with it.

its capitalism at its most evil. and rich people dont give a shit.

its been proven that the most moral people are the poor. the rich just see the world as relations between objects. they profit off this system and dont give a shit about what goes on below, or they make careers out of pretending to give a shit.

we shouldnt HAVE cigarettes. and alcoholics should have screening for the genes that cause it, and society should just refuse to sell to them. we should organize this so that people arent destroyed by these drugs. but under capitalism we can't. it's not a fantasy that people that fuck with the corporate agenda in a large enough way - journalists etc. - will get threatened and sued and destroyed. they risk being murdered. that's not conspiracy theory. that's fact.

it really is evil. thats the word for it. evil.

holocausts weren't just a nazi thing, they were happening ALL THE TIME throughout history before the nazis. i think the reason we don't have them today is because they aren't as profitable as the slow murder of addiction.
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I'm confused. Dead battery is freaking out. I have been too, so I join in.

Then everyone seems to be saying don't sweat it.

That's all I've understood so far.

it's an internet conversation. it's not linear.

db's struggles reminded me how much i loved tobacco. tobacco gave good head! then she gave me chancres! so i dumped her. but the head… the head was fantastic!
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Plus I live with a smoker.

Yeah, I have no problem with nicotine per se. Just the cancerous way I get it into my bod. Patches, gum, lozenges...one or more of these will probably become a part of my life at some point.

Okay. Nothing will change in the near future. I'm done freaking out. For the moment.

(On the other hand, a talented prostitute this weekend would do me a lot of good.)
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on the one hand, why the fuck not smoke myself to death? on the other i have other things i want to do. i want to never think about these things again.

For whatever it's worth, even if that's nothing, I hear you loud and clear.
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So, what are the benefits?

If we're taking a cavalier, "Life's short, we all die, have fun" attitude, I don't understand why you made the choice you made.

And Rob, fun stats, but 500,000 smokers die each year. My number's coming up. I can feel it.


is this half million smokers dying in just the US? Use rational thought. smoking affects heart disease, lung disease, and a lot of things that can kill you. It is not just lung cancer, which was the point of my post.

If 500,000 smokers die each year then at least 1 million NON smokers die each year. Only about 20% of the population smokes. I'd like to see where you found this data.
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My ass.

No, it's a stat I've come across a few times in various places. Maybe the numbers have changed in recent years.

BTW, only 20% smoke? That ad campaign really worked.


edit:
Center for Disease Control stuff:

http://www.cdc.gov/Tobacco/data_stat...acts/index.htm
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