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Old 05.28.2013, 10:51 AM   #36561
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had a great weekend. jammed my ring finger so bad playing football with my friend's kids that I had to cut off my wedding band. Good thing my wife wanted to get me a nicer wedding band already! (we were flat broke when we got married so my band was a bit thin and lowly). it was sad though either way!

Had a great weekend though, Great cookout with friends, got wasted on dank.

I know! Went to a family baby shower (one of these weird 21st "coed" baby showers where there is a trashcan full of beer and carne asada, its not like when I was a kid and men we explictly NOT invited so women could have a private sphere and space to talk about awkward pregnancy shit) and had a great time smoking and playing with the kids. Then when I got home drank some private reserve brews and watch my Heat DESTROY those pesky Indiana Pacers, and my neighbors had a HUGE party to celebrate their daughters University graduation. They had tacos, a traditional Mariachi band, and all the free Negra Modelo I could drink. It was like a celebration party for my Heat win!! Monday went to a bad ass BBQ in Pasadena at the foot of the San Gabriels and had beers and carne/tri-tip/bbq chicken like CRAZY. It has been one extended celebration for days, and while I don't drink excessively to get drunk, I have been eating and drinking like a Medici prince!!! It goes on and on and on like Steve Perry sang, because tonight my Heat are playing and I got shitload of leftover beers from my "brew 2-go-bag" to get into when I get home from work. Life is good!! (because at this moment it is great, last week had panic attacks from stress and next week enough bullshit to give me an aneuyrism but for now in this moment, we should all celebrate the very joyous gift of life!!)

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Old 05.29.2013, 03:12 AM   #36562
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being sick with high fever sucks big time.
i dont do high fever, it is not my system's thing.
i go up to 38C, feel like a wreck and get all the other stuff that last more than 2 weeks. but this time i did and it was horrible. at some points, i was thinking i can understand how people were dying from it. i mean, i had that feel.

but thats not what it is about.
last night the fever wore off, but i couldnt sleep.
i slept 4 hours and the first part of the sleep was one of the most bizarre 'sort of sleeping paralysis' that i get.
it was coming in waves, dragging me in the paralysis, fighting and getting out from it for a sec and then been sucked in again. and i use these verbs, because it was spacey, being pulled inside my bed, the bed sucked in aswell, spitted out and then inside again. everything like waves.
at some point i tried to turn it into sexual for my benefit -and i mention this because once someone told me here that i can turn it into something i want and now i understand what he meant- but that didnt work, nor lasted for long. i can say that the whole thing was mild, the element of fear still there though and it lasted longer than other times. actually i wasnt sure if it was going to end.

then i had dream. all to say about the dream is that in the house i was supposed to be staying, i couldnt find my bed.


basically fuck all that. had really boring 3 days, so i guess that was my gift of excitement.
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Old 05.29.2013, 01:05 PM   #36563
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jee wiz nefeli, that sounds very intense! so you get that sleep paralysis often?
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Old 05.29.2013, 01:48 PM   #36564
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i slept 4 hours and the first part of the sleep was one of the most bizarre 'sort of sleeping paralysis' that i get.


I get this from time to time, mostly during horrible fever "sleeps" but sometimes when nodding off for a nap, my body totally passes out while my mind stays active, alert, and awake. I even tell myself, "Shit, I'm paralyzed again, I'm not yet asleep but my body is totally asleep." Then I synchretically blend my waking self with my dreaming self and shit gets weird.

Its not the same as active dreaming, when you are conscious in a dream state, because you are not fully immersed in the dream, you are as you've said paralyzed.
If you experience this frequently aside from when you have fevers or if it extends for longer periods of time than a few minutes you might want to get it check out. if you are having extended periods of this, it can negatively effect your recuperative sleep similar to problems associated with sleep apnea.

Could be stress, seratonin imbalences, drugs, dietary triggers, or just the advent of some epic Mesoamerican apocalypse
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i slept 4 hours and the first part of the sleep was one of the most bizarre 'sort of sleeping paralysis' that i get.
Sleep paralysis is a weird thing. I used to get it quite a lot. I would always see a white figure coming into my bedroom, walking around my bed and getting into bed next to me, but I couldn't move and so knew it was in bed behind me.

A lot of things can be explained by the hallucinations that go with sleep paralysis: angels, ghosts, aliens...

My son used to get night terrors, a similar thing and very scary to watch...
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A lot of things can be explained by the hallucinations that go with sleep paralysis: angels, ghosts, aliens...


What if you have your explanation entirely backwards? I've always thought it a bit dangerous to doubt the reality of human terrors and ecstasies as if to be somehow negated by neurochemistry. Its a chicken and egg question, are the visions induced by the neurochemistry or is the chemistry induced by the visions.


 
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Old 05.30.2013, 05:09 AM   #36568
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at some point i tried to turn it into sexual for my benefit -and i mention this because once someone told me here that i can turn it into something i want and now i understand what he meant- but that didnt work, nor lasted for long.

hehe yeah that was me. still get these from time to time but lately they haven't been intense enough to remember. they're easy to roll out of and sometime i'm too lazy and tired to bother but i've always been scared that i would die, leave my body and stay locked in that state forever. been having 'sleep paraylsis' since childhood and they really are seriously terrifying and hard to describe.

voices, walking/footsteps, whispers in my ear, hallucinations, dogs biting my feet, loud buzzing grinding noises in my head have all been common sensations through out the years.

like Suchfriends said.. stress, lack of sleep and too much alcohol usually induce these things for me.

still not entirely convinced they are just "hallucinations" cause i'm up for anything and these type of phenomenons aren't always evil. sometimes wonderful lucid dreams occur.
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Sleep paralysis is a weird thing. I used to get it quite a lot. I would always see a white figure coming into my bedroom, walking around my bed and getting into bed next to me, but I couldn't move and so knew it was in bed behind me.

A lot of things can be explained by the hallucinations that go with sleep paralysis: angels, ghosts, aliens...

My son used to get night terrors, a similar thing and very scary to watch...

The only time I got one of these I was laying there with my eyes open trying to go to sleep. It was dark. Then I see a figure of a woman in a dress at the door of my room. Next thing I remember she was next to my bed. Next thing I remember is she was on top of me saying some demonic sounding shit in a deep scaryass voice. I could only see here eyes. They looked human but had a scaryass look if you know what I mean. Tried calling my roomates name but only a whisper came out. I finally just looked the bitch in the face and told her (whispered) "yr not real" twice. Then she was gone. Left me laying there for a good few minutes wondering what the fuck that was; terrified like never before.

I later found out it was called old hag syndrome and has been reported by people since centuries past. I'm still not convinced it was all in my head cause why do all these people report the same thing? Probably some demon. Bitch was scary as fuck. Fuck her.
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being sick with high fever sucks big time
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i go up to 38C, feel like a wreck and get all the other stuff that last more than 2 weeks. but this time i did and it was horrible. at some points, i was thinking i can understand how people were dying from it. i mean, i had that feel.

but thats not what it is about.
last night the fever wore off, but i couldnt sleep.
i slept 4 hours and the first part of the sleep was one of the most bizarre 'sort of sleeping paralysis' that i get.

that's just your body rejecting the upcoming "job" from hell!

i hope you're still looking around and manage to dodge that bullet!
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I later found out it was called old hag syndrome and has been reported by people since centuries past. I'm still not convinced it was all in my head cause why do all these people report the same thing? Probably some demon. Bitch was scary as fuck. Fuck her.

 

Carl Jung calls these figures archetypes. Our subconscious mind shares many collective experiences, sights, sounds, smells, and especially figures. This is why our religious and mythic experiences have a commonality, they draw actively from the same source, the human subconscious. In our dreams, visions, nightmares, apparitions, and hallucinations our mind uses this seemingly hard-wired mental imagery to create a narrative and bridge to explain our thoughts and feelings. However, neither Jung or Joseph Campbell took this to say that the substance of religious experiences, visions, or terrors are entirely fabricated by the mind as a means to make sense of itself. Jung believed that the psychic archetypes naturally had to have an actualized counterpart in reality separate from the internal workings of the mind.

Myself, I feel that in a spiritual world, where non-material entities can interact with our immaterial selves, our material brain uses these archetypes to translate the experience into our consciousness, similar to how I feel about dreams. Its not that they're not real, its that they are not real in the sense that we experience them. The visions are like smoke or incense giving substance to the invisible force of wind..
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Carl Jung calls these figures archetypes. Our subconscious mind shares many collective experiences, sights, sounds, smells, and especially figures. This is why our religious and mythic experiences have a commonality, they draw actively from the same source, the human subconscious. In our dreams, visions, nightmares, apparitions, and hallucinations our mind uses this seemingly hard-wired mental imagery to create a narrative and bridge to explain our thoughts and feelings. However, neither Jung or Joseph Campbell took this to say that the substance of religious experiences, visions, or terrors are entirely fabricated by the mind as a means to make sense of itself. Jung believed that the psychic archetypes naturally had to have an actualized counterpart in reality separate from the internal workings of the mind.

Myself, I feel that in a spiritual world, where non-material entities can interact with our immaterial selves, our material brain uses these archetypes to translate the experience into our consciousness, similar to how I feel about dreams. Its not that they're not real, its that they are not real in the sense that we experience them. The visions are like smoke or incense giving substance to the invisible force of wind..

yeah, you could've just said DNA and let be that.
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Carl Jung calls these figures archetypes. Our subconscious mind shares many collective experiences, sights, sounds, smells, and especially figures. This is why our religious and mythic experiences have a commonality, they draw actively from the same source, the human subconscious. In our dreams, visions, nightmares, apparitions, and hallucinations our mind uses this seemingly hard-wired mental imagery to create a narrative and bridge to explain our thoughts and feelings. However, neither Jung or Joseph Campbell took this to say that the substance of religious experiences, visions, or terrors are entirely fabricated by the mind as a means to make sense of itself. Jung believed that the psychic archetypes naturally had to have an actualized counterpart in reality separate from the internal workings of the mind.

Myself, I feel that in a spiritual world, where non-material entities can interact with our immaterial selves, our material brain uses these archetypes to translate the experience into our consciousness, similar to how I feel about dreams. Its not that they're not real, its that they are not real in the sense that we experience them. The visions are like smoke or incense giving substance to the invisible force of wind..

Funny I was thinking about something like that after I made the post. I was thinking about the other possibility of it coming from our mind and basically supporting my belief that we all come from one consciousness which is why we experience a lot of the same shit mentally.
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tried to reply the other day, but my pc failed me. eitherway, i was in a lalalala mood dont wanna talk about it more/now, because it was near bed time.


a general conclusion once again, is that you have to talk about things to people. took me years after the 1st time to start feeling comfortable to tell people and since then, as it happened here, i see that other people have the same experience.

i just have posted about this before, but anyway..1st time was when i was 21, 2nd when i was 24, then around my 30s and since then few times, but yeah last years more times all together.

its of the things that i dont want to overtalk (dont mean i dont want to talk about it here), i just mentioned it to my mother when it happens (she used to have them as well), or do more search about, in fear i will cause it to happen again.

stress, booze, lack of sleep
are things that are in my life and i mostly 'blame' stress.

the worst for me is not the experience, although its horrible, but the fear to go back to sleep.

!@#$%! argh...............
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