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Old 09.03.2014, 09:23 PM   #1
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We teach this to middle school kids. Shit, its LITERALLY printed in the curriculum. To teach kids to be responsible with their technology. To NOT take needless risks. To understand that actions like that inevitably have unintended consequences. Yet when these celebrities upload their nude pics to the cloud, get hacked, and leaked, all the feminists are arguing with me saying, "Its their right, you're slut shaming." No, I'm just calling out the fucking obvious! I'm not making any kind of moral judgments or accusations, merely stating the ontological reality of the risk involved. Its a no brainer, its been happening since the 1830s when photography was invented.

Dude, I totally think that the scumbags who published these pictures should be prosecuted, and it was TOTALLY wrong and creepy to leak them BUT, duh, common sense, DON'T TAKE THE PICTURES IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY PROBLEMS YO.
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Old 09.03.2014, 09:32 PM   #2
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not to dismiss the mortification some might be suffering but--it's just tits
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Old 09.03.2014, 09:44 PM   #3
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not to dismiss the mortification some might be suffering but--it's just tits


To be sure I 100% disagree with the photos being leaked, its a literally criminal invasion of privacy. My beef is that too many writers, pundits, and feminists are dismissing the individual culpability in that these celebrities, women and yes men too, shouldn't have taken let alone upload these photos to begin with!
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Old 09.03.2014, 09:50 PM   #4
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To be sure I 100% disagree with the photos being leaked, its a literally criminal invasion of privacy. My beef is that too many writers, pundits, and feminists are dismissing the individual culpability in that these celebrities, women and yes men too, shouldn't have taken let alone upload these photos to begin with!

of course it's a crime to break into someone's data, but it's just tits man. we've all sucked on tits after being born. where is the culpability in tits? tits are innocent. there is no crime in tits. the filth is in your mind.
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Old 09.03.2014, 10:18 PM   #5
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the filth is in your mind.


Again, I'm not making any kinds of moral judgments about this issue. I could careless about the morality because in this instance is entirely subjective. The celebrities, either women or men (yes some dick shots were leaked too), are free to make their own moral assessment of taking these pictures. I'm talking about the logistics. If they didn't want them leaked, either don't upload them onto the cloud or any other file hosting server or even better just don't take them in the first place!

Now as to the matter of if they want it leaked or not, we all know that a lot of celebrities intentionally leak these kinds of photos for publicity, so that is a different issue entirely.
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Old 09.03.2014, 11:45 PM   #6
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Maybe not entirely related to the subject, but then again maybe somehow related to it. I just received e-mail from Melora Craeger of Rasputina:


Hello from Melora.
I want to share with you some strange goings on- sometimes painful, but not all bad. For just over a year, I've been the "virtual hostage" of a stalker/hacker. The trouble started with a "friend" I made through Facebook. When I ended that "friendship", my physical home and my online accounts were violated. My cars were vandalized, and original music material was stolen (hand-written music manuscripts, and hard-drives containing music and art files for past albums). The person got into my bank, credit card and online accounts.
Despite me having IP numbers, bank statements, and etc., my family didn't believe me, and I became the classic abuse victim- keeping it to myself because I wasn't believed. My family thinks I'm paranoid and delusional- and I admit the experience has damaged me, but this crime is not mysterious beyond who committed it. Look at the headlines today- "Celebrities Hacked!". iPhone/iCloud/contacts/passwords- It's all stored in one place.
I was truly in terror, and have gradually lost everything.
-Dismissed as paranoid by family and friends
- Living in a rural area, the police have no idea what I'm talking about, what cyber-crime even is, and they've been told that I'm crazy anyway.
- My business is ruined because I can't trust the sites I sell from. None of these companies care. Most don't even have a way to talk to a person. But think about it. We do give our whole lives over to giant, faceless corporations, providing them content free of charge while they profit. Who are they? Exactly like my hacker/stalker, I don't know, but where a corporation is not human, whoever stole from me, and scared me almost to death is real, a human being.
I rarely visit the internet because I was violated there, but as I put social media out of my life, I get happier. It makes us competitive where we needn't be, and it makes us acquisitive but never satisfied. I know that in this Social-Media age, I make no money. Most people I talk to, in all different businesses, have the same troubles.
How are you faring? Write me back and tell me. I really want to know.
Of course I am making art and music out of this experience, hard as it is. I want to share what I make with you outside of the internet, and am thinking of ways to do that. I'm sincere when I ask you to write back to me. I have no help with this stalker/hacker situation, and it helps me to hear about other people's experiences.
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Old 09.03.2014, 11:50 PM   #7
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saying that someone should take individual responsibility for their private virtual property being stolen is tantamount to telling someone who got robbed that they shouldn't have bought nice things that someone would want to steal.you are a nice guy and everything, but you are really out of line on this one. Yes, everything can be stolen.in no way does that mean that the people who have had things stolen from them are in any way responsible for supposedly enticing these actions from predatory creeps and those who encourage them.you really need to rethink this stuff and shut your mouth.
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Old 09.04.2014, 05:51 AM   #8
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christian doesnt want women to take nude photos.

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Old 09.04.2014, 05:52 AM   #9
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also all celebs should be executed for sport anyway so idc
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Old 09.04.2014, 08:34 AM   #10
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Yet when these celebrities upload their nude pics to the cloud, get hacked, and leaked, all the feminists are arguing with me saying, "Its their right, you're slut shaming." No, I'm just calling out the fucking obvious! I'm not making any kind of moral judgments or accusations, merely stating the ontological reality of the risk involved.
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The real issue is the fucking cloud bullshit, the drive by the corporates away from individual ownership to rented usage. Every technofetish is marketed as convenience. "Now you can access your photos from anywhere." Well why the fuck do you really need to access your photos from anywhere. Having your photos 'hacked' and made public is part of the cloud structure. It will never be acknowledged, no more than that the plane crash is part of air travel. Anyone who uses 'cloud' services gets what they deserve.

SO does Jennifer Lawrence look good nekkid?
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"Now you can access your photos from anywhere." Well why the fuck do you really need to access your photos from anywhere.
this is true. one could dig a hole in the ground in a remote island, bury their photos there, and never have to look at them again except with the help of a shovel, a pirate ship, and the secret treasure map.
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Old 09.04.2014, 09:19 AM   #12
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Old 09.04.2014, 09:50 AM   #13
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I love how they use the euphemism "cloud" which is soft and fluffy and harmless, instead of calling it what it is, remote file servers. I bet less people would be inclined to allow their iphone to upload everything to a remote file server.
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You can make that "don't take nude photos of yourself and they won't be leaked argument" to anyone celeb or non-celeb. There is even a thing where the ex-boyfriends of women, usually either in college or high school post photos of their ex-girlfriend and call it "revenge porn". It's less about the content of the photos, and more about the consent. There are women who take nude selfies of themselves and post them on social sites like twitter. Nobody is going to tell a woman not to post their own nude selfie if they are comfortable doing so, but when a hacker steals images, or an ex posts images meant to be private you take away the consent. There are women who are comparing these stolen images to a woman getting raped. Its certainly a violation on some level. Its an ugly reality that in this internet age we place the value of a woman on their appearance. Perhaps its been that way even before than, but the internet has only raised that reality further.
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Old 09.04.2014, 10:29 AM   #15
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To those throwing out "christian this" or "privacy that" I will reiterate again, IM NOT MAKING ANY MORAL ETHICAL ARGUMENTS AGAINST nude photos. Im saying ontologically speaking that is the risk, so either don't take the pictures or concede the risk as part of playing the game. In other words I have zero sympathy for people who make reckless or stupid decisions, and they rightfully have themselves to blame. Problem with our society is no body owns up to their mistskes or responsibilities..
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Old 09.04.2014, 10:36 AM   #16
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To those throwing out "christian this" or "privacy that" I will reiterate again, IM NOT MAKING ANY MORAL ETHICAL ARGUMENTS AGAINST nude photos.

then why are you singling out nude photos over everything else that gets stolen online?

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then why are you singling out nude photos over everything else that gets stolen online?

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Because the nude pics are what all the talking heads are pontificating about, because taking nude photos is a bit less mundane then online banking or email, and because nude photos have a more inherent risk than other technology risks as people are biologically inclined to want to see these pics so there is more demand. Again this is why we teach middle school kids not to do it, too much risk of privacy invasion. Nudity is privacy yes? When you take a photograph youre ready taking the control out pf your own hands an yielding it to the technology. At least with actual nudity, somebody has to be more bold to assualt and disrobe a person. With pictures it becomes easier and less physically direct than shoplifting
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this is true. one could dig a hole in the ground in a remote island, bury their photos there, and never have to look at them again except with the help of a shovel, a pirate ship, and the secret treasure map.
I get why somebody might.need their kid's bday pics or vacation pics and so put them in the cloud but nude pics??
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I get why somebody might.need their kid's bday pics or vacation pics and so put them in the cloud but nude pics??

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