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Old 06.10.2013, 04:00 AM   #6461
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Did you go back and look at the first posts? Meth addicts and photoshopped memes.. hardly pornography. You can dismiss my opinion all you'd like, but I said it years ago, I said it months ago, I'll say it again, this thread is bullshit. The posts here are bullshit. It is symbolic of EXACTLY why this forum is dying, because its devolved into a petty locker room full of sparring boys.

This board's interestingness has always been cyclical around the appearance of cool girls who eventually get pissed off with the creeps/bros and leave.

Years ago, probably 7 or 8 years ago, when I was more interested in this place and it was busier, I thought about creating a female alter ego here and posting for a while, just long enough to see who would start PMing me creepy stuff, or whatever, and then making a thread of screen grabs of creepy PMs. I kind of regret not doing it.
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Old 06.10.2013, 04:04 AM   #6462
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Old 06.10.2013, 04:10 AM   #6463
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ha ha ha-- yes.

also, richard kern. self-professed maker of "porn for rich people".

Richard Kern has connections to porn, but the work that people know him for isn't porn, and the stuff he did that SY got involved with isn't porn either, even Fingered which is the most graphically sexual of the Kern stuff that I've seen isn't porn in my book.


Anywho, this thread is lame.
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Old 06.10.2013, 04:24 AM   #6464
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Thurston did a soundtrack for one of his things. it was porn
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Old 06.10.2013, 05:14 AM   #6465
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Thurston did a soundtrack for one of his things. it was porn

Thurston also cheated on his wife.
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Old 06.10.2013, 08:19 AM   #6466
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Richard Kern has connections to porn, but the work that people know him for isn't porn, and the stuff he did that SY got involved with isn't porn either, even Fingered which is the most graphically sexual of the Kern stuff that I've seen isn't porn in my book.


oh come on, of course he did porn,only with slightly better taste than the usual. he also was a methhead. he was never a paragon of moral virtue.

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Anywho, this thread is lame.

mostly, yes, but so is 90% of everyday life.

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Thurston also cheated on his wife.

porn!

he used to sell drugs too as i understand

anyway completely unrelated i was thinking of more hot redheads and there is samantha power. she's not "hot" in the usual sense and doesn't have model looks (here eyebrows are very low, i don't know how to say this) but if you hear her speak you'll be smitten with her super-smarts.


 


she once called hillary clinton "a monster" and is currently up for u.s. senate confirmation as the next ambassador to the u.n.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7l9yDbDNXM

delicious!

and yes, yes, she might scratch her head a bit like an ape, but i'm sure it's so the ideas flow better-- i think she's brilliant.
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Old 06.10.2013, 08:51 AM   #6467
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oh come on, of course he did porn,only with slightly better taste than the usual. he also was a methhead. he was never a paragon of moral virtue.

I knew he was a drug addict and I'm not concerned by his morals, but I think that because his films and photography aren't made solely as a tool for the sexual gratification of the viewer then in my book they don't count as pornography, even if they could be described as pornographic.
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Old 06.10.2013, 09:19 AM   #6468
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Old 06.10.2013, 10:08 AM   #6469
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I knew he was a drug addict and I'm not concerned by his morals, but I think that because his films and photography aren't made solely as a tool for the sexual gratification of the viewer then in my book they don't count as pornography, even if they could be described as pornographic.

alright, let me try something:

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where do you draw the line though? is in in the artist's intention? is it in the audience's reception? if some rich guy jerks off in his bedroom looking at a picture he paid thousands for in a gallery then it's not porn, but if i's a truck driver in a rest stop looking at a magazine it's porn? doe the educated get horny with different materials than the educated? a plump chick bent over a car hood is filthy commerce but a skinny chick with a gun on her perfect tits is art? that sounds a bit like class discrimination to me.
</devil's advocate>

i don't necessarily take all those arguments as my own but there they are nevertheless!

(also: i don't enjoy actual low-class porn in this thread, but those are my overeducated/underpaid sensibilities which can't be universalized)
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Old 06.10.2013, 12:17 PM   #6470
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alright, let me try something:

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where do you draw the line though? is in in the artist's intention? is it in the audience's reception? if some rich guy jerks off in his bedroom looking at a picture he paid thousands for in a gallery then it's not porn, but if i's a truck driver in a rest stop looking at a magazine it's porn? doe the educated get horny with different materials than the educated? a plump chick bent over a car hood is filthy commerce but a skinny chick with a gun on her perfect tits is art? that sounds a bit like class discrimination to me.
</devil's advocate>

i don't necessarily take all those arguments as my own but there they are nevertheless!

(also: i don't enjoy actual low-class porn in this thread, but those are my overeducated/underpaid sensibilities which can't be universalized)

I read an article once about a man who is sexually around by cars and he liked to have sex with the exhaust pipe, but that doesn't mean that autotrader is a porno mag just because somebody can manage to jerk off to it, regardless of their social background.

Anyway, it's one of those vague art questions about where you draw the line....I'll have to think about this later, or I'll be late for dinner with the mother of someone you think is awesome.
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Old 06.10.2013, 12:47 PM   #6471
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Who is that?

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Old 06.10.2013, 12:49 PM   #6472
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Thurston did a soundtrack for one of his things. it was porn

He's just done another soundtrack for Kern's latest book/dvd...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Shot-Kern-mi...0886497&sr=1-1
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Old 06.10.2013, 01:29 PM   #6473
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I read an article once about a man who is sexually around by cars and he liked to have sex with the exhaust pipe, but that doesn't mean that autotrader is a porno mag just because somebody can manage to jerk off to it, regardless of their social background.

Anyway, it's one of those vague art questions about where you draw the line....I'll have to think about this later, or I'll be late for dinner with the mother of someone you think is awesome.

And also, just because some paeadophiles jerk off to pictures of naked babies it doesn't mean that the babies' nudity is pornography. I think that if you're easily aroused by nudity in contexts that obviously serve an artistic purpose you ought to question your attitudes towards sex and your own sex life in general.
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Old 06.10.2013, 02:13 PM   #6474
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And also, just because some paeadophiles jerk off to pictures of naked babies it doesn't mean that the babies' nudity is pornography.


right, pedophiles ruined baby photography for all.

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I think that if you're easily aroused by nudity in contexts that obviously serve an artistic purpose you ought to question your attitudes towards sex and your own sex life in general.
the thing is though, contexts that obviously serve an artistic purpose are hard to come by these days.

as for me, i'll say this: when i see the picture of a very beautiful woman (e.g., that one i posted above) what i often get is not a boner but a lump in the throat. what does that mean? i don't fucking know, but i hope it's not cancer.

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I read an article once about a man who is sexually around by cars and he liked to have sex with the exhaust pipe, but that doesn't mean that autotrader is a porno mag just because somebody can manage to jerk off to it, regardless of their social background.

Anyway, it's one of those vague art questions about where you draw the line....I'll have to think about this later, or I'll be late for dinner with the mother of someone you think is awesome.


the thing with kern is that he walks right on that line and you could legitimately say he makes porn and he is an artist and be correct on both counts. kern himself has said repeatedly he makes porn for rich people and while he might mean it ironically one could also take his words at face value. besides, porn and art have been together for milennia. i think ultimately pornographers are just terrible artists, with rare exceptions like just jaecquin or kern himself.

im rambling on a bad internet connection in a non-air-conditioned room at midday. probably makes for bad reasoning.

anyway, have fun.
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Old 06.10.2013, 03:22 PM   #6475
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right, pedophiles ruined baby photography for all.

the thing is though, contexts that obviously serve an artistic purpose are hard to come by these days.

as for me, i'll say this: when i see the picture of a very beautiful woman (e.g., that one i posted above) what i often get is not a boner but a lump in the throat. what does that mean? i don't fucking know, but i hope it's not cancer.



the thing with kern is that he walks right on that line and you could legitimately say he makes porn and he is an artist and be correct on both counts. kern himself has said repeatedly he makes porn for rich people and while he might mean it ironically one could also take his words at face value. besides, porn and art have been together for milennia. i think ultimately pornographers are just terrible artists, with rare exceptions like just jaecquin or kern himself.

im rambling on a bad internet connection in a non-air-conditioned room at midday. probably makes for bad reasoning.

anyway, have fun.

Paedophiles only taint the enjoyment you'll feel by watching kids clumsily undress themselves if you are already a person attracted to them in a sexual way. Context in art is something that isn't as demanded as before but it's there and only waiting for a roll call. I don't think there is a lack of it, it's just much harder work to explain it because distraction and whinging seem to dominate the modus operandi of human interaction for most people these days. My foot hurts, my dog hurts, something hurts not too far away for me.
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Old 06.10.2013, 04:08 PM   #6476
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the thing with kern is that he walks right on that line and you could legitimately say he makes porn and he is an artist and be correct on both counts. kern himself has said repeatedly he makes porn for rich people and while he might mean it ironically one could also take his words at face value. besides, porn and art have been together for milennia. i think ultimately pornographers are just terrible artists, with rare exceptions like just jaecquin or kern himself.

im rambling on a bad internet connection in a non-air-conditioned room at midday. probably makes for bad reasoning.

anyway, have fun.

Finally. I LOVE RICHARD KERN! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caqxHral2iY
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Old 06.10.2013, 04:15 PM   #6477
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