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Old 10.16.2011, 12:34 PM   #161
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Watchin the ramones live in their last years was fucking horrible. Sloppy muddy no tightness as a band. Like last time I saw motorhead. Fucking mailing it in. SY never hit that bullshit and hopefully never will.


I really don't understand the surprise. If you read the lyrics of the last few lp's
Or thurston's soft folk shit
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Old 10.16.2011, 12:44 PM   #162
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Is Kim Less talented than Steve, Lee, and Thurston?

Of course she is. She's wonderful, and she makes the band, but as a musician she's not even in the same game, let alone league, let alone ballpark.
Sorry.

I love her, and worship her, and her voice can bring me to tears, but I've seen them live enough to know that she's not a particularly gifted musician. Her contributions are more aesthetic and thematic and lyrical.

She's not less talented, I guess- but she's not talented in the same way. Thurston, Steve and Lee are all expert, top-shelf musicians- some of the best in the business.

N offense Kim. You're an extraordinarily talented woman. I'm just talking about sheer musical accuracy right now. Your artistic talent knows no bounds.


Aesthetic/thematic/lyrical...all of these concepts are important. Kim adds a key ingredient that could not be replaced. They all do. Each member adds something to the pot and that is what makes them Sonic Youth. Her lyrics are some of the best. And yeah, her bass playing might be simplistic (Thurston's guitar playing might be outrageously creative at times, but seldom is it anything complex. And yes, I tend to prefer "creative" to "complex") but it's an important factor in holding down what the rest of the band is doing. I'm positive not just anyone could come along and do what Kim does. Your comments are a bit unnecessary. Thats fine though, unnecessary posts are often some of my favorites.
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Old 10.16.2011, 12:46 PM   #163
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I really don't understand the surprise. If you read the lyrics of the last few lp's
Or thurston's soft folk shit

agreed. it was a bit when I first heard the news, but yeah...after actually thinking about it for a bit not so much.
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Old 10.16.2011, 12:47 PM   #164
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I really don't understand the surprise. If you read the lyrics of the last few lp's
Or thurston's soft folk shit

yeah dood, I listened to Demolished Thoughts...and well..never bothered with it ever again....so I wouldn't know. about his pussy-fest lyrics
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Old 10.16.2011, 01:06 PM   #165
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Old 10.16.2011, 02:14 PM   #166
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Is Kim Less talented than Steve, Lee, and Thurston?

Of course she is. She's wonderful, and she makes the band, but as a musician she's not even in the same game, let alone league, let alone ballpark.
Sorry.

I love her, and worship her, and her voice can bring me to tears, but I've seen them live enough to know that she's not a particularly gifted musician. Her contributions are more aesthetic and thematic and lyrical.

She's not less talented, I guess- but she's not talented in the same way. Thurston, Steve and Lee are all expert, top-shelf musicians- some of the best in the business.

N offense Kim. You're an extraordinarily talented woman. I'm just talking about sheer musical accuracy right now. Your artistic talent knows no bounds.

You're an idiot. One of the many idiots they picked up as fans over the years.
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Old 10.16.2011, 02:20 PM   #167
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E. Noisefield praised her in several lines. He just said that in one area, she might struggle. That is just a strengths and weaknesses observation.

E.N. also said that 'she makes the band' which is the highest compliment.

What E.N. said was valid.
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Old 10.16.2011, 02:21 PM   #168
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Aesthetic/thematic/lyrical...all of these concepts are important. Kim adds a key ingredient that could not be replaced. They all do. Each member adds something to the pot and that is what makes them Sonic Youth

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Old 10.16.2011, 02:26 PM   #169
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The World is in a really bad way...
Let's see what will happen, hope it's not the end of this great band.
Maybe they're going through a bad patch (just like Thurston's folk shit), hope they will stand the test and keep on playing toghether, no matter their split/divorce.
Damn, I didn't expect this shit to happen.
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Old 10.16.2011, 02:32 PM   #170
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Old 10.16.2011, 02:36 PM   #171
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E. Noisefield praised her in several lines. He just said that in one area, she might struggle. That is just a strengths and weaknesses observation.

E.N. also said that 'she makes the band' which is the highest compliment.

What E.N. said was valid.

do women who play music give you a headache or you're just retarded? I think you're just a retard.
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I for one hope and believe this will not bring the death of Sonic Youth.
There are other married then divorced musicians who have had groups together and make it work. Sam Coomes and Janet Weiss from Portland come to my mind first.
This is shocking news to say the least.
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Old 10.16.2011, 04:07 PM   #173
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do women who play music give you a headache or you're just retarded? I think you're just a retard.

Who said this a woman/man issue?
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Old 10.16.2011, 04:22 PM   #174
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E. Noisefield praised her in several lines. He just said that in one area, she might struggle. That is just a strengths and weaknesses observation.

E.N. also said that 'she makes the band' which is the highest compliment.

What E.N. said was valid.

It doesn't matter, you can't disagree with him or offend anything he holds dear without him viewing you as inferior, and rash.
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Old 10.16.2011, 05:47 PM   #177
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Old 10.16.2011, 05:57 PM   #178
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Who said this a woman/man issue?
Your mum shitface.
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Old 10.16.2011, 06:08 PM   #179
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I guess it is a sexist issue.
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Irrational and unfeasible as it may be, I have always maintained that a long-standing band, upon losing any member, should change their name.

REM without Bill Berry was not what I knew as REM
Pavement became an entirely different sonic entity when they switched drummers, from slack to classic rock

All deference to the great and mighty stve shelly but SY has always beena triumverate of LeeKimThurston to me. They are the core, from 1980 to now. No Kim, no SY and I am fairly certain lee and thurston would agree with me
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