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Old 10.15.2009, 06:16 AM   #101
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Old 10.15.2009, 06:16 AM   #102
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Old 10.15.2009, 06:19 AM   #103
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I'm saying that your idea of innovative was innovative 10 years ago and has since been superseded.

I only reference Mika Vainio because I like him (solo) more than I do the people you listed who, even with the field of 'electronica', weren't ever really innovative.

I'm off to listen to Yatsuano Tone.
I know who tone is. i don't think it's really fair to say these "innovative" musicians can be ranked on how forward-thinking they were. people like tone take a totally different approach to music than the artists i listed. personally i would consider that area closer to "art" than music. not because it's OMG SO AMAZING THIS IS ART but because the approach is particularly more focused on sound rather than music. you could say the same about oval. they made a program that rips tiny sound bites off cds and arranges them into full songs. the result is fascinating, and considerably more "musical" than wounded cd despite taking a similar approach, but i wouldn't call it "more innovative", it's really subjective.

on a larger scale, however, i think it would be fair to rate some musicians and their approaches as more forward thinking than others. say if you compared the overdone auto-tuned vocals of t-pain to making an album out of broken equipment.

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although i appreciate you refraining from straight out calling me a cunt and a twat (so far) i don't think you know what i think is truely innovative. just because i think the work of a few artists is still unique doesn't meant i think they at the PURE FOREFRONT OF MUSICAL EXPERIMENTATION. I still think they push boundaries though, and really i think that is very hard to deny.

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i haven't listened to the pumpkins in a good couple of years. yes billy is a MASSIVE cunt but still a very capable musician (especially back in his hey-day) and an excellent guitar player. pumpkins don't really do it for me anymore, but that doesn't mean i can't appreciate the effort that goes into it. also i'm not denying that my favourite musicians are making money off what they do. of course they are, but the music they produce is at least (in my eyes) of substantial quality and is not entirely motivated by profit.
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Old 10.15.2009, 06:34 AM   #104
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I seriously and honestly do not care what you or anyone else, ever, thinks is innovative.

The only point I'm making is that the examples you used weren't that innovative or forward-thinking, even within the narrow field of popular 'electronica' (I genuinely despise that term, by the way), 10 years ago. I'm not saying I have any names to replace them (non-dancable electronic music was never my thing) but I didn't claim they were better than the innovative-in-its-context music like Beyoncé's single ladies. Remember, context is very important.

EDIT: And, now I come to think of it, AFX and the like were probably more interesting closer to 15 years ago. Fucking hell, I'm too old to be on the internet, surely.
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Old 10.15.2009, 06:37 AM   #105
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In all honestly I think he (zero-syg) is a bit too young and naive on a certain level...and lacks a bit of "perspective" on stuff..
This is not a masked insult or anything like that, just something I think is basically a fact.
The "pushing boundaries" is always relative, the spectrum is so wide...
Back on the topic of "good music", I agree almost 100% with atsonic and his post a few posts behind. Heck, I really don't give a damn about the "reason" a song is written for as long as it's a good song to me. Even someone 100% focused on getting rich can write good songs to reach his greedy goal.
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Old 10.15.2009, 06:38 AM   #106
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alright yeah i see your point there. context is indeed important when talking about these things.

i'm going to have to disagree with you about calling the artists i listed as being not particularly innovative though. like you say, context is important, and i think in the context of "electronica" what they were doing was just as creative as their peers. as i said, in that field there's so much opportunity for original ideas, it's really difficult to label something as more original than something else. again IN CONTEXT.

i still don't think single ladies is all that advanced for its genre either. it's basically taking the female empowerment themes of "i will survive" (a song that must be like 20-25 years old) and puts it over a minimal beat not unlike that bananas song that gwen stefani made.

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i understand what you are saying and to a certain extent i agree with you, but i think my opinion still stands, regardless of my age.
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i haven't listened to the pumpkins in a good couple of years. yes billy is a MASSIVE cunt but still a very capable musician (especially back in his hey-day) and an excellent guitar player. pumpkins don't really do it for me anymore, but that doesn't mean i can't appreciate the effort that goes into it. also i'm not denying that my favourite musicians are making money off what they do. of course they are, but the music they produce is at least (in my eyes) of substantial quality and is not entirely motivated by profit.
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i haven't listened to the pumpkins in a good couple of years. yes billy is a MASSIVE cunt but still a very capable musician (especially back in his hey-day) and an excellent guitar player. pumpkins don't really do it for me anymore, but that doesn't mean i can't appreciate the effort that goes into it. also i'm not denying that my favourite musicians are making money off what they do. of course they are, but the music they produce is at least (in my eyes) of substantial quality and is not entirely motivated by profit.
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i haven't listened to the pumpkins in a good couple of years. yes billy is a MASSIVE cunt but still a very capable musician (especially back in his hey-day) and an excellent guitar player. pumpkins don't really do it for me anymore, but that doesn't mean i can't appreciate the effort that goes into it. also i'm not denying that my favourite musicians are making money off what they do. of course they are, but the music they produce is at least (in my eyes) of substantial quality and is not entirely motivated by profit.
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i haven't listened to the pumpkins in a good couple of years. yes billy is a MASSIVE cunt but still a very capable musician (especially back in his hey-day) and an excellent guitar player. pumpkins don't really do it for me anymore, but that doesn't mean i can't appreciate the effort that goes into it. also i'm not denying that my favourite musicians are making money off what they do. of course they are, but the music they produce is at least (in my eyes) of substantial quality and is not entirely motivated by profit.
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i haven't listened to the pumpkins in a good couple of years. yes billy is a MASSIVE cunt but still a very capable musician (especially back in his hey-day) and an excellent guitar player. pumpkins don't really do it for me anymore, but that doesn't mean i can't appreciate the effort that goes into it. also i'm not denying that my favourite musicians are making money off what they do. of course they are, but the music they produce is at least (in my eyes) of substantial quality and is not entirely motivated by profit.
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i haven't listened to the pumpkins in a good couple of years. yes billy is a MASSIVE cunt but still a very capable musician (especially back in his hey-day) and an excellent guitar player. pumpkins don't really do it for me anymore, but that doesn't mean i can't appreciate the effort that goes into it. also i'm not denying that my favourite musicians are making money off what they do. of course they are, but the music they produce is at least (in my eyes) of substantial quality and is not entirely motivated by profit.
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PS: Squarepusher, Autechre, and Aphex Twin all rule. I have every album ever farted out by all of those fuckers, and I listen to 'em all, all the time.

Autechre and Aphex have done some quite innovative things. Aphex in particular is just a jack of all trades.. he can do anything and do no wrong. Fucking love THE TUSS (his side project)... love how it's classic Acid House but also really hard at times. Pusher never struck me as innovative, he just makes good music period, great bass player and the best melodies in electronic music. A lot of his stuff, especially lately, sounds pretty samey, so he tries to augment that by doing some free jazz noodling and other, um, "Experiments".. some not so successful. Love all his stuff though, to some degree, though I don't think he's made a completely amazing album yet.. they're all just too all over the place. Tend to enjoy his EP's more actually.

I'm pretty well-versed in electronic music, and those 3 are the most popular names (along with V-Snares who is just kinda meh usually) for good reason.
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Yeah, you're right. This board is just like everywhere else: people liking shit just because everyone else likes it therefore making it cool. Yeah there are some good pop artists out there but anytime someone on here hears a pop song they claim it as the best ever. Remember when everybody on here was into black metal?

Or possibly, people genuinely like music?
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PS: Squarepusher, Autechre, and Aphex Twin all rule. I have every album ever farted out by all of those fuckers, and I listen to 'em all, all the time.

Autechre and Aphex have done some quite innovative things. Aphex in particular is just a jack of all trades.. he can do anything and do no wrong. Fucking love THE TUSS (his side project)... love how it's classic Acid House but also really hard at times. Pusher never struck me as innovative, he just makes good music period, great bass player and the best melodies in electronic music. A lot of his stuff, especially lately, sounds pretty samey, so he tries to augment that by doing some free jazz noodling and other, um, "Experiments".. some not so successful. Love all his stuff though, to some degree, though I don't think he's made a completely amazing album yet.. they're all just too all over the place. Tend to enjoy his EP's more actually.
i agree on squarepusher. i would consider his first two albums and go plastic as amazing albums though.
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I hope?

Pumpkins: I love everything he's done to some degree, I just find myself skipping tracks on all his albums. Still, he's written some of the greatest songs OF ALL TIME. "Ernest Borgnine", "Welcome to Europe", fuuuuuuuck.

He was also my ex-girlfriend's favorite musician so I probably won't be listening to him much anymore.
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