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Old 10.08.2009, 02:28 PM   #61
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I have never heard any The Gossip.
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Old 10.08.2009, 02:29 PM   #62
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i made it very clear i wasnt talking about the music itself.
What's subversive about them, music excluded?
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Old 10.08.2009, 02:31 PM   #63
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Old 10.08.2009, 02:34 PM   #64
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What's subversive about them, music excluded?

i think i said herself, and the lyrics right?

wasnt their first famous song something about the result of homophobic general feeling stopping civil rights like gay marriage?

because that's what I got.

also sadly being fat and not being afraid of it is not only rare but constitutes subversion of the order nowadays.

these little things, you know, are still more than any other mainstream rock bands have been attempting.

i think she speaks to people, and the kids specially need that.
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Old 10.08.2009, 02:55 PM   #65
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^ standing in the way of control was written as a response to bush trying to ban gay marriage.

i totally agree with what you (knox) just wrote.
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Old 10.08.2009, 02:56 PM   #66
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i think i said herself, and the lyrics right?

wasnt their first famous song something about the result of homophobic general feeling stopping civil rights like gay marriage?

because that's what I got.

also sadly being fat and not being afraid of it is not only rare but constitutes subversion of the order nowadays.

these little things, you know, are still more than any other mainstream rock bands have been attempting.

i think she speaks to people, and the kids specially need that.
If by subversion of the order of things you mean that things happen because some homosexual singer writes about injustice perpetuated by a sexual majorioty on a sexual minority. The more tiresome, frustrating, much less glamorourous work that political activists take upon themselves in order to make it a recurrent issue makes her ''subversion'' happen. Beth Ditto is just a reflection of that. I'm glad she exists, and I'm sure she's not just some cynical, opportunistic human being, but that's where her subversion starts and finish, a mere blink in the eye of the perpetuators of injustice.
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Old 10.08.2009, 03:04 PM   #67
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If by subversion of the order of things doesn't happen because some homosexual singer writes about injustice perpetuated by a sexual majorioty on a sexual minority. That is something that is the more tiresome, frustrating, much less glamorour work that less artistic political activists taken upon themselves in order to make it a recurrent issue. Beth Ditto is just a reflection of that. I'm glad she exists, and I'm sure she's not just some cynical, opportunistic human being, but that's where her subversion starts and finish, a mere blink in the eye in the perpetuators of injustice.

and?
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Old 10.08.2009, 03:06 PM   #68
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If by subversion of the order of things doesn't happen because some homosexual singer writes about injustice perpetuated by a sexual majorioty on a sexual minority. That is something that is the more tiresome, frustrating, much less glamorour work that less artistic political activists taken upon themselves in order to make it a recurrent issue. Beth Ditto is just a reflection of that. I'm glad she exists, and I'm sure she's not just some cynical, opportunistic human being, but that's where her subversion starts and finish, a mere blink in the eye in the perpetuators of injustice.

the gossip's music is not about to totally transform the nature of heterosexism, however it does provide a good anthem. music is important because it makes people feel less alienated, you know
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Old 10.08.2009, 03:06 PM   #69
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Old 10.08.2009, 03:07 PM   #70
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i hope my 2nd post makes sense a bit because editing text on a mobile phone is a bitch.
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Old 10.08.2009, 03:08 PM   #71
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i hope my 2nd post makes sense a bit because editing text on a mobile phone is a bitch. Certainly from this carcass of a keyboard.
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Old 10.08.2009, 03:09 PM   #72
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i wouldn't have bothered.

basically, you agreed that yes the gossip is slightly subversive, which is what we've been saying.
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Old 10.08.2009, 03:11 PM   #73
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a blink in the eye is better than no blink in the eye.
sure. Still not cause to call it subversion.
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Old 10.08.2009, 03:17 PM   #74
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i wouldn't have bothered.

basically, you agreed that yes the gossip is slightly subversive, which is what we've been saying.
you're subversive
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Old 10.08.2009, 03:29 PM   #75
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Old 10.08.2009, 03:37 PM   #76
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any subversion is subversion.

the same way any penis - regardless of the significante of its size - is still a penis.

the same way contaminating material is still contaminating - regardless of how much it will contaminate.

you know.
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Old 10.08.2009, 03:39 PM   #77
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any subversion is subversion.

the same way any penis - regardless of the significante of its size - is still a penis.

the same way contaminating material is still contaminating - regardless of how much it will contaminate.

you know.

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tell me about it. It is plain wrong to attribute tasks to it that simply aren't sustainable for an artistic form that feeds its very existence from the happiness, misery, and all the other feelings inbetween which make human life what it is.
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the same way any penis - regardless of the significante of its size - is still a penis.

the same way contaminating material is still contaminating - regardless of how much it will contaminate.

you know.
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