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Old 11.13.2017, 09:42 AM   #4781
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HAHAHHA! I told you I read only 4-5 novels a year! I slam my brain against grad-level science and reference books for the most part. ahhaa. I told you I wuld finish BOTNS, and I will! sonic promise. I will finish the second book by xmas.
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Old 11.13.2017, 10:07 AM   #4782
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i don’t understand finishing a book you started because “you have to”

i did too much of that in grad school— ruined reading for me, for years

life is too short to read books that cease to interest you, especially when it’s for leisure



i’m rereading this:

 


a great book for where i live. i’m sure more people will need it where the earth is going
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Old 11.13.2017, 11:21 AM   #4783
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HAHAHHA! I told you I read only 4-5 novels a year! I slam my brain against grad-level science and reference books for the most part. ahhaa. I told you I wuld finish BOTNS, and I will! sonic promise. I will finish the second book by xmas.

Yeah, but each book is only like 100 pages! Jesus! Just read the thing! Itís all supposed to be one book anyway. Cripes!

Itís the fact that you read such heavy material that I know you are up to it. Itís because of that that I recommended it to you. I told you, Iíve only met one other person whoís finished it.

Anyway. Fucking Christmas bitch.
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Old 11.13.2017, 11:28 AM   #4784
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i donít understand finishing a book you started because ďyou have toĒ

i did too much of that in grad schooló ruined reading for me, for years

life is too short to read books that cease to interest you, especially when itís for leisure

Well BOTNS is the best thing ever. If Gene Wolfe were a more well-known author, this thing would be taught in grad level philosophy courses. Makes Lord of the Rings look basic.

Iíve just never had anyone to talk about it with is all.

Anyway, Rob read the first volume (was published in four volumes), and said he loved it. And he hasnít even scratched the surface of the story, so I wanted him to finish the COCKSUCJING THING BECAUSE I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER ANYTHING!
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Old 11.13.2017, 11:55 AM   #4785
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Makes Lord of the Rings look basic.
LOTR makes LOTR look basic!

so what you’re saying is... potshots are free for all?

as for that book i think if he loved it as much as he said he would have continued

one time i skipped an organic chemistry exam because i was way too deep into a cortŠzar book (hopscotch). i fucking lied to the teacher, claimed i was sick.

i can’t read cortŠzar these days anymore but when i got the bug i got the bug and i got it bad.



im gonna go look at the first pages of this book you say and see if it’s true. but if LOTR is your benchmark... i don’t know.
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Old 11.13.2017, 12:05 PM   #4786
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next time you should compare it with ulysses!

https://www.theguardian.com/books/bo...iction-ulysses

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Old 11.13.2017, 12:07 PM   #4787
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Old 11.13.2017, 12:27 PM   #4788
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Yeah, but each book is only like 100 pages! Jesus! Just read the thing! Itís all supposed to be one book anyway. Cripes!

Itís the fact that you read such heavy material that I know you are up to it. Itís because of that that I recommended it to you. I told you, Iíve only met one other person whoís finished it.

Anyway. Fucking Christmas bitch.

Jeez, you do this all the time. Chill and try not to come across as such an autist. People have lives, they do and read other shit that you might not want them to and that's fine. CONSTANTLY banging on at someone to read a book, listen to an album or whatever (which you do. All the time) doesn't do anyone any favours. Just breathe.
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Old 11.13.2017, 01:06 PM   #4789
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Kinda brief at around 400 pages. VU doesn't even get a full hundred.

Still, it's cool he assumes the reader already knows a lot. He spends time confirming or denying juicy rumors, but otherwise tries to focus on new ground.

Still, Lou was always elusive, and I'm not sure this book manages to explain him in any deep way. An enjoyable read, but I don't feel closer to understanding who the man really was.
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Old 11.13.2017, 09:24 PM   #4790
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Jeez, you do this all the time. Chill and try not to come across as such an autist. People have lives, they do and read other shit that you might not want them to and that's fine. CONSTANTLY banging on at someone to read a book, listen to an album or whatever (which you do. All the time) doesn't do anyone any favours. Just breathe.

Dude, itís all in good fun. Rob and I have been chatting about this since 2015 (2014?) and he knows Iím gonna ask him every once in a while. I think Iíve asked twice this year.

Do I do this all the time? Not really. Yeah, I have badgered NR for not reading SAGA, and for not listening to TLOP. But thatís twice. Is that all the time? I donít know.

I am chill. I am chill. I am chill. I am chill. (Breathe) I am chill.

You guys all know Iím a neurotic, anxiety-ridden, sleepless, guilty Catholic workaholic with a big ball of unraveling string in my head at all times. Let me have this one thing. Let me harp on people for not doing what they said they are gonna do. I beg you. I beg you.
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Old 11.13.2017, 09:35 PM   #4791
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LOTR makes LOTR look basic!

so what you’re saying is... potshots are free for all?

as for that book i think if he loved it as much as he said he would have continued

one time i skipped an organic chemistry exam because i was way too deep into a cortŠzar book (hopscotch). i fucking lied to the teacher, claimed i was sick.

i can’t read cortŠzar these days anymore but when i got the bug i got the bug and i got it bad.



im gonna go look at the first pages of this book you say and see if it’s true. but if LOTR is your benchmark... i don’t know.

LOTR is not my benchmark, I just think it’s probably the most famous series in the history of sci-fi or fantasy. Fair? It’s also a damn good boom (“Fellowship...” was always my favorite, and I got a huge kick out of “Silmarillion,” which is much closer to BOTNS than the actual LOTR series. I was just trying to come up with an example of a SF/Fantasy book that’s universally renowned and a veritable literary classic.

Gene Wolfe’s world-building puts Tolkien’s to shame. And it’s not just this one book... Book of the New Sun begat Book of the Long Sun — another four-volume masterpiece that takes place in the same “universe” but is not a sequel — the book that NPR called the #1 science-fiction/Fantasy book of all time (BOTNS was #3, even though it’s objectively better). And Book of the Long Sun begat Book of the Short Sun, a direct sequel to Long Sun which gets hella weird, even for this author, and acts as both a sequel and a prequel to BOTNS.

But yes, in terms of actual complexity and originality, BOTNS is definitely more like Ulysses than it is like LOTR, which might as well be the Princess Bride for how it measures up to this behemoth.

These books, by Gene Wolf, are equal parts Dickens, James Joyce and ... honestly, I can’t think of anything else that fits. Lovecraft maybe?

ľ Dickens, ľ Joyce, ľ Lovecraft, ľ the fucking Bible.

I just want someone to talk to about it.

ETA: Rob did love the first novella volume of BOTNS. He has a review of it on his site. It’s called “Shadow of the Torturer.” Problem is, he has no clue what the book is about yet.
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Old 11.13.2017, 09:37 PM   #4792
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For the record, I asked Rob to recommend me a book he adored that I’d never read, and promised to read it while he read BOTNS. He never recommended anything. Said he had to think about it. Two years ago. Point is, I was willing to work for this!
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next time you should compare it with ulysses!

https://www.theguardian.com/books/bo...iction-ulysses

i gotta run but will look into it some more

Did you read this? Itís a pretty concise little write-up of the first half of the book, but it leaves out SO much. If youíre interested, maybe you should read the thing.
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Old 11.13.2017, 09:58 PM   #4794
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i red a few paragraphs on the amazon look inside thing and they weren’t bad paragraphs. that was a good sign. i might read that some day, “torturer apprentice severian.” lol.

thing is im in full business mode at the moment so this is what i’m about to start reading:

 


oooooh yeah. fuck entertainment ha ha ha ha. and fantasy. i want a good steak!
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Old 11.14.2017, 08:04 AM   #4795
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i red a few paragraphs on the amazon look inside thing and they werenít bad paragraphs. that was a good sign. i might read that some day, ďtorturer apprentice severian.Ē lol.

thing is im in full business mode at the moment so this is what iím about to start reading:

 


oooooh yeah. fuck entertainment ha ha ha ha. and fantasy. i want a good steak!


Was the first chapter "Get rid of the sports channels"?
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Old 11.14.2017, 09:36 AM   #4796
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Finished this yesterday and it really was just brilliant. There was a load of stuff about the FALN the Puerto Rican liberation terrorist, paramilitary, freedom fighters, whatever you wanna call them, which made me think of Rob Instigator. Some of the stuff that happened in the 70's that is now pretty much forgotten about is insane. What baffles me is that the media played up the idea that terrorist acts in America only started with WTC.

I honestly can't recommend it any higher.

 


Next up I'm gonna plug this gap in my knowledge of ancient Rome.
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ha ha ha ha

no!

it’s about good management at work, not destroying your life outside of work
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i red a few paragraphs on the amazon look inside thing and they werenít bad paragraphs. that was a good sign. i might read that some day, ďtorturer apprentice severian.Ē lol.

thing is im in full business mode at the moment so this is what iím about to start reading:

 


oooooh yeah. fuck entertainment ha ha ha ha. and fantasy. i want a good steak!

^ that looks like something I should read.
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My mom went to school with, and was involved politically, with the people that went to DC from Puerto Rico and shot up congress and tried to assassinate Ford. crazy shit.
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My mom went to school with, and was involved politically, with the people that went to DC from Puerto Rico and shot up congress and tried to assassinate Ford. crazy shit.

For real? I know you said your parents were politically active relating to that. Didn't know to what level.

The bit that got me the most was reading about the FALN's bomb expert William Morales. From a bomb exploding in his hands and taking 9 of his fingers (among other things) to his prison break. What was interesting is how still no one is really willing to open up about them.
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