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Old 01.23.2015, 12:36 PM   #3761
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Hesse I always found boring. I read fiction to be shown a world that I never experienced before. Hesse's fiction is like a boring lecture that you need to sit through because the information is quality, but the person delivering it is a monotone bore.
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Hesse I always found boring. I read fiction to be shown a world that I never experienced before. Hesse's fiction is like a boring lecture that you need to sit through because the information is quality, but the person delivering it is a monotone bore.

 


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Old 01.23.2015, 02:03 PM   #3763
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Old 01.23.2015, 03:47 PM   #3764
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so... i went and looked at an updated translation of the glass bead game (by some dude with a russian last name). and in the preface the translator was explaining how previous translators had missed the humor and irony in that book (which is something had already been recognized by thomas mann when hesse sent him a draft).

so then i kept reading and the translator kept going into ideas behind the book and he started taling about the influence of nietzsche and jacob burckhardt and how some characters were modeled after them... so...

then i ended up looking up burckhardt on wikipedia (the inventor of cultural history!) and seeing his bibliography and i ended up finding one of his books... "the civilization of the renaissance in italy" (he's got another about the ancient greeks).

now i think i might just end up reading burckhardt first ha ha ha ha
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Old 01.23.2015, 03:58 PM   #3765
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These are the next books lined up on my list...

Masks of God: Occidental Mythology – Joseph Campbell (1958)
Science and Sanity: An Introduction to Non-Aristotelian Systems and General Semantics – Alfred Korzybski (1933)
Masks of God: Creative Mythology – Joseph Campbell (1968)
Instead of a Book, By A Man Too Busy To Write One: A Fragmentary Exposition of Philosophical Anarchism – Benjamin R. Tucker (1893)
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Old 01.23.2015, 04:04 PM   #3766
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Campbell's Masks of God series changed me profoundly.
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Old 01.23.2015, 04:40 PM   #3767
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I am halfway through Oriental Mythology. I tried reading these books in my 20's but I did not have the necessary background to digest what he is discussing. Now, at age 41, I can read them and am able to grasp it all. some books require preparation!
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Yeah, I read them when I was 20 or so, and I looked at them recently and wondered how the hell I pulled that off. No way I understood very much, but the big theme is clear enough, isn't it? Stories repeat. A simple idea that Campbell spent the rest of his life unpacking, so I guess it's also a very complex idea.

But mostly it was being shown the difference between the occidental and oriental approach to the big questions which made me rethink everything. That was brand new to me. It's not like a grew up around a lot of Buddhists.
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Old 01.27.2015, 03:39 PM   #3769
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i re-read the secret history by donna tartt the other day, then il purgatorio
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Old 01.28.2015, 08:49 AM   #3770
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i re-read the secret history by donna tartt the other day

good choice! have you read the goldfinch? i really liked it when i read it (about a year ago - close to when it came out) but now I'm not so sure.
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Hesse I always found boring. I read fiction to be shown a world that I never experienced before. Hesse's fiction is like a boring lecture that you need to sit through because the information is quality, but the person delivering it is a monotone bore.

haha maybe some of his longer works. i quite like this in an author though , i find it kinda soothing. i think by the sounds of it we look through different things from fiction...?!

but have you read his shorter works? Siddartha? Klingsor's Last Summer? Rosshalde?
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now i think i might just end up reading burckhardt first ha ha ha ha

i am intrigued now too - let me know how you find it!
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Campbell's Masks of God series changed me profoundly.

i really want to read these
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I am now currently reading Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov.

That's like the heaven for Sci-Fi fans (along P.K.Dick, of course)
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i am intrigued now too - let me know how you find it!

this kind of book would have been difficult for me to read before the existence of wikipedia. it assumes you know who is everyone mentioned there and it goes on to make overarching judgments and interpretations-- looks at trends, really. very nice really as a kind of global view of the renaissance.

i started the other day & left for wikipedia to read about the hohenstaufens, ezzelino, frederick I, etc. (i know about some of them vaguely but never made any study of them). this is fun but a massive distraction because i get lost in the web of information, but if i remember to return to the book then everything looks clear. so my linear progress has been slow but with the accessory expeditions one gets to cover a lot.
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Old 01.28.2015, 09:31 AM   #3777
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haha maybe some of his longer works. i quite like this in an author though , i find it kinda soothing. i think by the sounds of it we look through different things from fiction...?!

but have you read his shorter works? Siddartha? Klingsor's Last Summer? Rosshalde?


I read Siddartha in my 20's, and it left no impression I can recall.

I will have to give his shorter works another go

I am reading The Demolished Man by Alfred Bester. Great sci fi from the early 50's. I had never heard of him except for a Simpsons episode where Martin the smart nerdy kid, says that the ABC's of science fiction are Asimov, Bester, and Clarke, and some kid says "what about Ray Bradbury?" and Martin replies, "I am familiar with his work..." That shit makes me laugh. Ray Bradbury is suck. I find him more boring that Hesse.

Sooooo, this Demolished Man book is amazing so far.
 
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good choice! have you read the goldfinch? i really liked it when i read it (about a year ago - close to when it came out) but now I'm not so sure.

I devoured it at first and now I wish it had a better editor. I think the Vegas part kinda drags.
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I devoured it at first and now I wish it had a better editor. I think the Vegas part kinda drags.

yah - i think i wanted to like it more than i actually liked it.

a few people have said that to me about the vegas part but that was my favourite part.

(see previous comments about liking boring novels haha)
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a lot of books (most of them actually) are rushed for publication these days

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XIX century FTW

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been reading a little more of the burckhardt reinaissance book and it's highly entertaining but somehow feels like a pointless exercise. eta: meaning i enjoy it, but i need other knowledge right now.

i'm more interested in buying this book. in fact i have for the longest time:

 


THE ART OF FERMENTATION by sandor katz (but fuck michael pollan)

i make yogurt and sauerkraut as daily staples but i need to up my game. kimchi, you are next. pickles too.

also, i wanna learn to cure meats-- but that's a different book.

eta, again. this is what i'm actually reading right now along w/ burckhardt:

 


BARNYARD IN YOUR BACKYARD

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