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Old 04.30.2012, 03:33 PM   #2941
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I just finished this one through. I understood it much more clearly this time, perhaps I was in a more lucid mode or a more receptive mood. It seems to me that this is essentially a personification of grieving or finding faith. The gods in this novel are symbols of belief. Shadow is grieving his dead wife, and the meeting of these gods through out the story is a symbol of his searching for faith while grieving. Each of his relationships with the personified gods is really just symbolic of his trying to develop an understanding and relationship with them in his mind. The gods themselves are symbols of all the things humans believe in, tangibly and tangibly, forces, phenomena, technology, ideas, opinions, myths, etc etc. What believe become "gods" and in this novel these beliefs are just personified as the characters called gods. The old gods battle the new gods, the old ideas battle with the new ideas, all in the mind of Shadow for dominance, for influence, for a relationship. Laura, as a zombie, represents his inability to accept her loss. she carries on because he still believes in her, just as the gods carry on because of the last bits of belief which keep them going. She destroys several of the gods in this story to save Shadow, symbolizing how his grief for her is overpowering even the other gods, the other aspects of reality. Only she remains somewhat real to him, everything else is in flux. Each event, each idea, each force, becomes a new god which he interacts with. In the end he only wins the battle for his own mind when he accepts and embraces her death as concrete, and lets her go. Further, the struggle with the gods only ends when he also yields to fate, and accepts whatever comes in the flow. As he concludes, "the only thing I've really learned about dealing with gods is that if you make a deal, you keep it.. even if I tried to walk out of here, my feet would just bring me back." Since the gods in this novel are essentially just all the aspects of human reality and the human experience personified, then what Shadow is saying is that in the end, all humans can do is submit to the whims of reality. This is truth. A delightful novel now that I have really attached myself more so to it. The first time I read it through I enjoyed it, but I didn't find any kind of depth, but now, I think I get it
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Old 05.02.2012, 09:08 AM   #2942
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I finally got my hands on a copy of A Clash of Kings in the library, today.
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Old 05.02.2012, 02:19 PM   #2943
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Old 05.02.2012, 04:08 PM   #2944
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Finished this a couple of days ago. Pretty enjoyable. Reads much more like Hammett a fantasy novel. It's more about racketeering and assassinations and prostitution and inner city/upper class politics than weirdo fantasy tropes. It only just HAPPENS that there are soul destroying weapons and teleportation. So with that said, pretty good detective stories haha.
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Old 05.04.2012, 08:48 AM   #2945
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Finished this a couple of days ago. Pretty enjoyable. Reads much more like Hammett a fantasy novel. It's more about racketeering and assassinations and prostitution and inner city/upper class politics than weirdo fantasy tropes. It only just HAPPENS that there are soul destroying weapons and teleportation. So with that said, pretty good detective stories haha.

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Old 05.22.2012, 09:57 PM   #2946
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this is the third Vonnegut book that i have read. it is really great, but not as great as cats cradle or slaughterhouse five. but i really love vonnegut and would love to read more of his books.

i also started reading I.B Singer's the magician of lublin
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Old 05.23.2012, 06:46 AM   #2947
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Old 05.23.2012, 07:00 AM   #2948
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Old 05.24.2012, 01:07 PM   #2949
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Untried, super-campy but fun looking science fiction:
 


Or this John Irving book. Yes I like John Irving but I haven't read a book of his since The Fourth Hand...
 


Suggestions? I'm also brushing up on some early psychobabble for work, so I need a distraction.
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Old 05.24.2012, 01:15 PM   #2950
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Infernal Devices. If you like Steampunk you'll only read it eventually anyway so may as well be now.
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Old 05.24.2012, 06:08 PM   #2951
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What's this like? I read Vernon God Little, or I should say I started reading it but found it so dull I barely managed to get half way through before giving up on it.

This was when I was working in a bookshop and I had a proof copy (one of many I used to take home) and was really surprised that when it was published it was so well received and went on to win the Booker.
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Old 05.24.2012, 06:25 PM   #2952
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I literally only just started it. I'll let you know after a couple of chapters but I'm already wondering if I'll have the patience to finish it.
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Old 05.25.2012, 07:53 AM   #2953
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^ Why are the Brits so invested in literature, even if the particular example ends up on the dull end of the scale?

I'm so jealous.

I mean, aren't the Booker Prizes televised, and not just on some obscure cable station? That would never ever in a million years happen here in the US.

I get the feeling that even yobs pick up a book now and then.

Am I wrong about all this? Tell me before I pack my bags and move away from this cultural cesspool.
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Old 05.25.2012, 08:04 AM   #2954
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^ Why are the Brits so invested in literature, even if the particular example ends up on the dull end of the scale?

I'm so jealous.

I mean, aren't the Booker Prizes televised, and not just on some obscure cable station? That would never ever in a million years happen here in the US.

I get the feeling that even yobs pick up a book now and then.

Am I wrong about all this? Tell me before I pack my bags and move away from this cultural cesspool.
Yes the Booker prize is televised on the BBC. It's one of the benefits of public service broadcasting. The BBC is required to produce a certain amount of output that is "intended for the public benefit rather than for purely commercial concerns." And being funded by the public it's able to show things like the Booker Prize (and the Turner Prize etc) because commercial concerns are not so important.

On the other hand it also makes utter shite like Top Gear.
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Old 05.28.2012, 05:50 AM   #2955
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Old 05.28.2012, 07:00 AM   #2956
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the thing of reading
as i seen that newspapers with more broader and intelligent
report on the news
doesn't sell large numbers

to connect that with bookreading
is not the same

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Old 05.28.2012, 05:18 PM   #2957
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Old 05.28.2012, 05:21 PM   #2958
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too bad he had to go that way, I think its a conspiracy personally, but then again, I have personally known of folks who did the exact same thing in an argument with their old ladies just to mode them eternally!!

either way martyr or a psychopath, God Bless his Soul!!
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Old 05.31.2012, 10:49 PM   #2960
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Ok, so I picked up Infernal Devices on my Kindle and I have to say it's not a very compelling read thus far. Over half way through and still waiting for the story to start. not a good sign!
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