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Old 04.05.2012, 03:22 PM   #2901
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My interest in George R. R. Martin's work was piqued after seeing season one of Game of Thrones, so I hired from the library A Dance with Dragons parts one and two.

But that's the fifth book. If anything you should read Clash of Kings.
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Old 04.06.2012, 04:36 AM   #2902
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On the other hand, I read most of On The Road, found it kind of boring really. Though, I did try to read it when I was 14 or something. Maybe I'd appreciate it more now.

I suppose it's now more of a cultural artefact than a purely literary one. I imagine it must've been amazing coming across a book like that in the 50s but I'm not sure if it still really has much to offer, besides as a peek into what increasingly seems like a quite innocent age. And I suppose on that level at least, it still has some charm, even if it's the kind of charm that completely contradicts what I imagine was Kerouac's original intention.
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Old 04.06.2012, 03:56 PM   #2903
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Nothing, as of yesterday morning, when I finished the greatest book (series, really) ever written.

I always (ALWAYS) have a book to read. I'm kind of going crazy without one.
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Old 04.06.2012, 03:58 PM   #2904
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"The Petting Zoo" by Jim Carroll.
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Old 04.06.2012, 05:51 PM   #2905
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after a break i went back to reading lequinn's dispossessed

I've heard a lot of people reference this as a favorite but I've never gotten around to reading it. I'd be interested to know what you think of it.
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Old 04.07.2012, 09:04 AM   #2906
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I've heard a lot of people reference this as a favorite but I've never gotten around to reading it. I'd be interested to know what you think of it.

Okay, so i just finished it. it was really amazing. i will admit that it gets a little bit slow for over 100 pages in the middle of the 300 page book. but the first 50 and last 150 are well worth it. even the "slow" part is interesting. much more a book of ideas (anarchism\collectivism\mutual aid versus capitalism\militarism\property ownership etc) than actions but it is all done in a really unique and beautiful way. it is a complex book that doesn't show anything to be black and white, and i think because of that there is a lot of hope in it.

in any case, i really liked it.
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Old 04.11.2012, 08:31 AM   #2907
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But that's the fifth book. If anything you should read Clash of Kings.

All the other books were out. So I had no choice, really.
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Old 04.11.2012, 10:23 PM   #2908
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That so depressing considering how much you're going to spoil for yourself.
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Old 04.12.2012, 12:03 PM   #2909
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That so depressing considering how much you're going to spoil for yourself.

It sounds a bit fucked up, I know, but when the other books in the series are eventually returned, I'll still read them and no doubt thoroughly enjoy them as much as I'm enjoying A Dance with Dragons.
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Old 04.12.2012, 04:30 PM   #2910
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It's good that you're enjoying it. Dance is one of the lesser ones really, though still a cut above. A Storm of Swords is easily the best one I think.
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Old 04.12.2012, 04:45 PM   #2911
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Just finished this badass piece of work. Started kinda slow going into the Rushdie affair on which i was already well versed. But the stuff on rich cunts paying for censorship and intimidating citizen journalists was indespensibly righteous.

 


We lost Hitchens, but we've still got Nick Cohen to stand up for the principle of a proper fucking arguement. Fuck the censors and the libel lawyers
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Old 04.12.2012, 05:00 PM   #2912
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Totally agree with you on Cohen. I'm a huge fan. More even than I ever was of Hitchens. Can't wait to read this one.
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Old 04.12.2012, 05:13 PM   #2913
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Totally agree with you on Cohen. I'm a huge fan. More even than I ever was of Hitchens. Can't wait to read this one.

Hitchens changed my way of thinking, Cohen made me relate to how I was before, and why I was wrong. Reading Hitchens fills me with joy and self belief, reading Cohen's words is like being fitted with a suit of armour against the kind of fascist scumbags we all detest.

So yeah, you need to get this book
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Old 04.12.2012, 05:16 PM   #2914
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I don't know, he doesn't seem to make any points which I'd consider untouched before him. He perhaps serves as a reminder for people who haven't realised how censorship works in our time and age yet, but he doesn't put forward anything other than arguments that have been tried and tested before, whichever way I look at his writing. Not sure what is so special about this man's opinions. I appreciate the effort though.
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Old 04.12.2012, 05:18 PM   #2915
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I don't know, he doesn't seem to make any points which I'd consider untouched before him. He perhaps serves as a reminder for people who haven't realised how censorship works in our time and age yet, but he doesn't put forward anything other than arguments that have been tried and tested before, whichever way I look at his writing. Not sure what is so special about this man's opinions. I appreciate the effort though.

you've read the new book then?

edit: To pre-empt you, In his columns from the last few years he has often gone on the same topics/themes yes - the left's ignorance of fascism from Islamic perspectives mainly, though he hasnt gone into libel law in essay form until this book as far as i recall, and ive read everything he's written since about 2009. He has mentioned it but he was justified in expanding on the matter in book form if you ask me
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Old 04.12.2012, 05:25 PM   #2916
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you've read the new book then?

No, but I have read enough of his comments in the media to figure out what he may have come up with. I will definitely read the book, because I am curious of what he writes. To be honest, I am not expecting to be enlightened much. Call me arrogant 'cause I am.
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I would definitely recommend Cohen but without reading his new one, I'd say start with What's Left? I've not been as into his more recent crusade on censorship but he raises some very interesting things in What's Left?

This is a basic summary:

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No, but I have read enough of his comments in the media to figure out what he may have come up with. I will definitely read the book, because I am curious of what he writes. To be honest, I am not expecting to be enlightened much. Call me arrogant 'cause I am.

as i said ive read enough of his comments too, probably more than you have to be honest. Im sure you have a perception of his perspective and thats fine, but he really doesnt rehash things in the book apart from the Rushdie business which comes at the start. He uses that as a basis from which to present his arguement.

Let me know what you think after you've finished it
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I would definitely recommend Cohen but without reading his new one, I'd say start with What's Left? I've not been as into his more recent crusade on censorship but he raises some very interesting things in What's Left?

Yeah, Whats Left? is the epoch-defining book. Addresses where we are more than a thousand Daily Mail columnists working at typewrters for a thousand years.
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as i said ive read enough of his comments too, probably more than you have to be honest. Im sure you have a perception of his perspective and thats fine, but he really doesnt rehash things in the book apart from the Rushdie business which comes at the start. He uses that as a basis from which to present his arguement.

Let me know what you think after you've finished it

Definitely. So that you don't get this as harsh criticism, I think Cohen is a very intelligent man, but one who has limitations when it comes to dialectics related to both politics and life in general. Please excuse the fact that I feel the same about most ''serious'' commentators on 99% of British newspapers. Where do these people live? Where do they observe from?
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