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Old 05.13.2009, 04:46 PM   #41
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mainstream music has lot's of talent, they have top engineers and producers working on every track, and every album has lots of session guys who are insane musicians, i'm kind of against saying something doesn't take talent just because you don't like it, that's the exact same argument commercial music folks use against others, and it's bullshit both ways

the enginners/session guys/producers/etc are NOT what is sold in mainsteream music, and most fans of it do not give a fuck who the producer/session guy/engineer is. they want to see mariah carey, and the jonas bros. no one cares about the old geezers standing in shadows playing all the music at a jonas bros show.
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Old 05.13.2009, 04:48 PM   #42
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strobe lights and food fights, thats whats missing. also rollerskates.
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Old 05.13.2009, 04:48 PM   #43
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the enginners/session guys/producers/etc are NOT what is sold in mainsteream music, and most fans of it do not give a fuck who the producer/session guy/engineer is. they want to see mariah carey, and the jonas bros. no one cares about the old geezers standing in shadows playing all the music at a jonas bros show.
It's the same with rock music. It's the same with most people who pay for any entertainement of any kind, Roberta.
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Old 05.13.2009, 04:48 PM   #44
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what's the real deal?

music to put on and be swept away by, not music to have dinner with your uncle and aunt to.
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Old 05.13.2009, 04:48 PM   #45
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You're all a bunch of balding rockists. We need more
 
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Old 05.13.2009, 04:49 PM   #46
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It's the same with rock music. It's the same with most people who pay for any entertainement of any kind, Roberta.

not with jazz, nor blues, nor punk or underground rock, nor folk, nor classical music. not for the local funk bands or reggae bands
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Old 05.13.2009, 04:50 PM   #47
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I agree with the dynamics statement. dynamics in music means the relationship between the loud and the quiet, the forceful and the delicate. much music these days is one note. that is why everyone used to love the pixies, before everyone ripped them off. they had a sense of dynamic range in their songs and they used it for full effect.
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Old 05.13.2009, 04:51 PM   #48
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not with jazz, nor blues, nor punk or underground rock, nor folk, nor classical music. not for the local funk bands or reggae bands
What do you mean, baby doll?
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Old 05.13.2009, 04:51 PM   #49
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you do not see that this guy is ROCKING OUT! that is what is needed, not specifically a guitar sound. it is personal AGGRESSION
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Old 05.13.2009, 04:53 PM   #50
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What do you mean, baby doll?

mainstream popular music does have talent behind the scenes, but most bands working in the genres I threw out there are doing it all themselves. there is not a hype machine in jazz or blues or classical music (not popera or those fucking tenors, but regular classical symphony and chamber music concerts)
the problem is that a hype machine was developed for underground rock a couple of decades ago and it has fucked up the underground.
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Old 05.13.2009, 04:56 PM   #51
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I think that the people who make the most mopney from music want fans to treat the music as disposable, because if it si disposable you are always ready to buy a whole shitton of new stuff that they shove down yr throats. the old stuff holds no meaning. (of course I am speaking in generalities, but I see this especially in hip hop. and genero rock)
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Old 05.13.2009, 05:07 PM   #52
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what is needed is more waitresses
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Old 05.13.2009, 05:09 PM   #53
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Old 05.13.2009, 05:20 PM   #54
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clearly what is missing is rob instigator and sarramkrop.
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Old 05.13.2009, 05:26 PM   #55
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And Jon Boy's talent, obviously.
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Old 05.13.2009, 05:30 PM   #56
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i want nothing to do with you.
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Old 05.13.2009, 05:37 PM   #57
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Good. I don't like you, anyway.
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Old 05.13.2009, 05:40 PM   #58
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what is lacking in todays music is its ability to challenge the dominant ideology or provide any new form of transgression that doesn't lead to hedonistic self destruction thus destroying any revolutionary or emancipatory potential.

very little music is able to go beyond sucking off the dead guts of a past or imagined counter culture. people pretend there is still something somehow credible about outdated punk/noise/art moves.

the claim that the 90's bands killed off hair metal and flamboyance and indulgence is only partly true. people like thurston moore just ressurected it in the form of spewing out noise releases that are the postmodern equivalent of the indulgence of 80's fretwanking guitar solo metal or 70's prog flamboyance.

that entire argument or the word "internet".

we are locked into a nostalgia for a time when the cd/lp/cs artifact could still function as a portal to new undiscovered culture. now it really can't because it's been made obsolete by the computer which works as a musical object with infinitely editable cover art/liner notes/songs/videos.
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Old 05.13.2009, 05:41 PM   #59
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i'm completely bored of rocking out, rock based music has by far the widest shit to good ratio. i think it's probably about 10000000 shit to 10 good
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Old 05.13.2009, 05:51 PM   #60
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what is lacking in todays music is its ability to challenge the dominant ideology or provide any new form of transgression that doesn't lead to hedonistic self destruction thus destroying any revolutionary or emancipatory potential in the individual.

very little music is able to go beyond sucking off the dead guts of a past or imagined counter culture. people pretend there is still something somehow credible about outdated punk/noise moves.

the claim that the 90's bands killed off hair metal and flamboyance and indulgence is only partly true. people like thurston moore just ressurected it in the form of spewing out noise releases that are the modern equivalent of the 80's fretwanking guitar solo or 70's prog flamboyance indulgence.

The first two paragraphs I'm totally with you,. The third I think is a little too harsh harsh. Sonic Youth haven't been avantgarde since the 80's, or at least not in a more linear way that would make the fans rely on them for 'never heard before' new thrills throughout. I don't think that's a bad thing, since they still made some great records since then.
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