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Old 07.03.2008, 12:00 PM   #41
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I have read all three and 20th is the best one. Psychic is well done but draws heavily upon internet sources.

I found 20th to be a tad more scholarly....
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Old 07.03.2008, 12:37 PM   #42
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I find PSYCHIC similar to CONFUSION IS NEXT.
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Old 07.03.2008, 01:34 PM   #43
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this biog "Goodbye 20th century" is so good it aches.
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Old 07.03.2008, 02:35 PM   #44
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actually, its unfortunate they both were released at the same time. Becuase one might be deemed better. The fact is there is alot of overlap in the two. I read Psychic second so I suppose I am bias.

They both delve heavily into the bands relationship with Paul Smith & Gerlad C. Which probably slid under the radar for most fans...I fould the part about SY ordering toast in the North of England to be quite amusing....
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Old 07.03.2008, 02:36 PM   #45
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you got a thank you in the book? cool !

what did you do or contribute?
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Old 07.05.2008, 06:43 PM   #46
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im gonna pick this up. a mate of mine highly recommended it to me above the stevie chick book......
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Old 07.07.2008, 02:40 AM   #47
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Just finished reading this, way more in-depth info than Psychic Confusion and a more satisfying conclusion. Doesn't rush thru their later years so much. Highest recommendation...
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actually, its unfortunate they both were released at the same time. Becuase one might be deemed better. The fact is there is alot of overlap in the two. I read Psychic second so I suppose I am bias.

They both delve heavily into the bands relationship with Paul Smith & Gerlad C. Which probably slid under the radar for most fans...I fould the part about SY ordering toast in the North of England to be quite amusing....




Parts of PSYCHIC CONFUSION feel like it's actually a bio of Paul Smith. ha.


Also, I feel like too much gets glossed over. Though, I am enjoying it, I'm looking forward to GOODBYE.
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Old 07.09.2008, 04:02 AM   #49
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A bio of Paul Smith would have the potential to be quite interesting, methinks.
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Old 07.09.2008, 04:32 AM   #50
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from what i understand stevie chick didn't actually interview SY for his book, is this the case?
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Old 07.09.2008, 04:38 AM   #51
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That's right. He just read Confusion is Next and paraphrased it, then rushed through everything post that book very quickly in the hope that no-one would notice that he knew very little about his subject.
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Old 07.09.2008, 09:24 AM   #52
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Yeah I'm sort of pissed, because I'm on the part about WASHING MACHINE (in PSYCHIC CONFUSION) and there's very little left of the book. I guess Sonic Youth didn't do much for the last 13 or so years, so there's not much to say, huh?

Again... I look forward to GOODBYE.
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I'm on the part about WASHING MACHINE (in PSYCHIC CONFUSION) and there's very little left of the book

Which is a pity because alot of fans could use to know what they done since 1998 on...
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Did anyone go to the Q&A with Thurston and David Browne this Thursday?
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Goodbye 20th Century: A Biography of Sonic Youth

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Goodbye 20th Century: A Biography of Sonic Youth

By David Browne
(Da Capo Press)

Rock lore abounds with stories of pivotal yet scarcely attended happenings. It's said that of the few who bought the Velvet Underground's debut record all went on to start a band - the same of the sparse crowd that witnessed the Sex Pistols' first show at the Manchester Free Trade Hall. The history of Sonic Youth has no such eureka moment. The band's members arrived in New York at the close of the '70s - the decade when rock and roll in all its forms arguably peaked. And their journey, meticulously documented in Goodbye 20th Century, unfolds much like a Sonic Youth song, slowly and deliberately, over the span of 27 years, 14 albums, and 5 drummers.
From Sonic Youth's early evolution in New York's avant-garde downtown arts community through its present-day status as revered alt-culture icons, things like record collecting, married life, and long studio hours fill the bulk of the band's time, and Goodbye 20th Century. Browne follows the band's business dealings with dodgy overseas managers (who at one point release a record without the band's consent), their steady hobnobbing with New York's cultural elite (Sophia Coppola, Spike Jonze, everyone famous in the '90s, etc.), and the various awkward peaks like Lollapalooza and the band's "grunge" years.
Take note: Sonic Youth's story is largely unglamorous. And rightfully so. While excising rock from its blues roots, SY also managed to create a new paradigm of the rock star - a tempered, even conservative, approach that ultimately rewarded the band's consistent stability and output. Flaubert wrote "Be regular and orderly in your life so that you may be violent and original in your work." Sonic Youth, echoing that sentiment, is all of the above.
Browne digs deeply into the band's democratic decision-making process, which gives each distinct personality ample voice. As with any band, tensions do inevitably arise, but disagreements here don't last long. Maybe it's because the members of Sonic Youth are so unwaveringly likable. And they're all characters in their own right: Thurston Moore's continuous joking; Kim Gordon's focused creative input and reserved demeanor; Lee Renaldo's technical prowess; and Steve Shelley's stabilizing influence. It's almost impossible to hate the underachievers now crowned by many as the kings of rock. (Former-Voice critic Robert Christgau called Sonic Youth "the best band in the universe" only a few years ago).
But even obvious Sonic Youth devotees like Browne acknowledge that much of the band's edge came from its ability to crib the prevailing theories and sounds of the early '80s scene into a relatively salable package. Glenn Branca, the avant-garde composer who enlisted both SY guitarists in his guitar-drone orchestra at one point, quips, "Sonic Youth gave [the public] what I had, but sugarcoated it." Several other contemporaries - from Lydia Lunch to Rhys Chatham- could make the same claim.
Branca's comment also brings out the underground-mainstream tension behind Sonic Youth. That the band has been on both SST and Geffen, a major label, (and even more recently released its only 'best of' to-date through coffee-overlord Starbucks) speaks to its complicated DIY/corporate ethics. Both Moore and Shelley maintain their own independent record labels, which continue to release notably weird and underground records (ecstaticpeace.com and smellslikerecords.com), not mention the band's SYR series of experimental collage, noise, and improv recordings.
As much as they took from the scene, Sonic Youth have been giving back ever since. It would be impossible to miss Sonic Youth's influence on albums like Wilco's Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, mixed by Jim O'Rourke, who served as Sonic Youth's bassist and recording engineer during the early '00s.
It could also be argued (as Goodbye does) that Sonic Youth's style - the "uncool" cool - is nearly as important as its music. Browne notes that anyone who's ever worn an ironic t-shirt owes a debt to Thurston Moore and Sonic Youth. As such Goodbye 20th Century is a worthy history for most, if not all, t-shirt wearers. As Sonic Youth progresses, I hope David Browne keeps up in subsequent editions.
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Old 07.16.2008, 03:52 PM   #56
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"Goodbye 20th Century: A Biography of Sonic Youth" reading.

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