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Old 05.12.2008, 05:12 PM   #21
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Or "Must We Burn Sade?" by Simone De Beauvoir

Sounds interesting. I will look for that. Sounds like De Beauvoir doesn't have the typical feminist view.
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Old 05.12.2008, 05:18 PM   #22
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suchfriends-- i think your strategy has been subverted by the threadsters.

"curb your lust" sounds both preachy & accusatory and hence ultimately counterproductive. i'd suggest reading some current books on marketing & advertising.
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Old 05.12.2008, 05:19 PM   #23
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Sounds interesting. I will look for that. Sounds like De Beauvoir doesn't have the typical feminist view.

Steady on sonny - what's a typical feminist view?

De Beauvoir I find quite insipid, but her article on de Sade is pretty alright (and is the opening essay in my copy of 100 days of Sodom).
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Old 05.12.2008, 05:21 PM   #24
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Sounds interesting. I will look for that. Sounds like De Beauvoir doesn't have the typical feminist view.

if by "typical feminist" you mean the typical american antisex WASP feminist then hell yes.
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Old 05.12.2008, 05:22 PM   #25
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suchfriends-- i think your strategy has been subverted by the threadsters.

"curb your lust" sounds both preachy & accusatory and hence ultimately counterproductive. i'd suggest reading some current books on marketing & advertising.

not necessarily, there are many eyes and Is out in internet land, and they all do not necessarily post. and further, I was going for preachy, as it gets the kind of shock value which we have seen, and I wanted to shock people. we have become desensitized to buzzwords and soundbites, I thought, 'if i dont frame this from an angle which is going to piss some people off, then nobody will notice at all!" and in this regard I have achieved flying colors. that is why I graduated from the Jerusalem Schoolroom, which is to say, I learned from experience not necessarily education.
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Old 05.12.2008, 05:25 PM   #26
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not necessarily, there are many eyes and Is out in internet land, and they all do not necessarily post. and further, I was going for preachy, as it gets the kind of shock value which we have seen, and I wanted to shock people. we have become desensitized to buzzwords and soundbites, I thought, 'if i dont frame this from an angle which is going to piss some people off, then nobody will notice at all!" and in this regard I have achieved flying colors. that is why I graduated from the Jerusalem School, which is to say, I learned from experience not necessarily education.

yeah but what they are noticing is the lust not the intended message. just saying. the many eyes are saying "preachy, accusatory"-- you're tuning them out.

hm, really. flies/vinegar etc.
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Old 05.12.2008, 05:33 PM   #28
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i'm buying me an underaged hooker, anyone wants to join in?

I'm two steps ahead of you there old bean. By 'steps' I mean 'passings of ejaculate'. Obviously.
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Old 05.12.2008, 05:36 PM   #30
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alright, means you're paying for her.

Done and done.

If, by 'pay' you mean 'gaffatape to my roof'.
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Old 05.12.2008, 05:41 PM   #31
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Old 05.12.2008, 05:42 PM   #32
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I don't know about you guys, but I think the best situations to get all worked up and stressed-out over are the kind that are firmly entrenched and that you are simultaneously completely powerless to change.

Unless any of you guys are buying sex slaves, or selling them, or hang out with people like that.
Because then you could boycott this scene and actually have it mean something.
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Old 05.12.2008, 05:45 PM   #33
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if by "typical feminist" you mean the typical american antisex WASP feminist then hell yes.

I meant because I assume most feminists would be against something like Sade for objectifying women.
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Old 05.12.2008, 06:01 PM   #34
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I meant because I assume most feminists would be against something like Sade for objectifying women.

I think you're objectifying both feminists and de Sade there.

Or, less absurdly, the de Sade of his own writings is so far beyond the insidious hegemony of misogyny as to be the perfect manifestation of all that is redundant and impotent about the male gaze. De Sade is just laughably rubbish. I can't remember what de Beauvoir says of him, but I think it's something similar to the above.
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Old 05.12.2008, 06:18 PM   #35
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I think you're objectifying both feminists and de Sade there.

Or, less absurdly, the de Sade of his own writings is so far beyond the insidious hegemony of misogyny as to be the perfect manifestation of all that is redundant and impotent about the male gaze. De Sade is just laughably rubbish. I can't remember what de Beauvoir says of him, but I think it's something similar to the above.

Now I feel objectified.
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Old 05.12.2008, 06:28 PM   #36
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I don't know about you guys, but I think the best situations to get all worked up and stressed-out over are the kind that are firmly entrenched and that you are simultaneously completely powerless to change.

Unless any of you guys are buying sex slaves, or selling them, or hang out with people like that.
Because then you could boycott this scene and actually have it mean something.

thank you for articulating my thoughts
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Old 05.12.2008, 06:34 PM   #37
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Old 05.12.2008, 08:06 PM   #38
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Old 05.12.2008, 08:44 PM   #39
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I think you're objectifying both feminists and de Sade there.

Or, less absurdly, the de Sade of his own writings is so far beyond the insidious hegemony of misogyny as to be the perfect manifestation of all that is redundant and impotent about the male gaze. De Sade is just laughably rubbish. I can't remember what de Beauvoir says of him, but I think it's something similar to the above.
If I remember correctly, she agrees with him in understanding the importance of the erotic but criticizes his sadistic (kind of stupid to use this word to describe Sade) oppression of the opposite sex for being the libertine "revolution in the bedroom" mentality. Sade betrays the erotic, or something like that. Where as the erotic is meant for two subjectivities to commingle in their power sharing, de Sade champions his own lustful power over the other in a rebellion against the strict sexual morality of the time.
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Curb Your Lust. That sounds like a great title for a TV show.

Jerry Seinfeld plays Larry David who wants to start a TV show of his own, only he can't because Interpol is after him in a case of mistaken identity, thinking he started this sex slave trade in Indonesia. Hilarious!
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