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Old 05.09.2008, 05:45 AM   #21
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Old 05.09.2008, 07:33 AM   #22
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Old 05.09.2008, 07:34 AM   #23
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Wrong on many accounts.


I was succesfully teasing you earlier on in this thread.

everyone needs to get teased sometime, but that definition is straight outta my classical music text book.
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Old 05.09.2008, 07:42 AM   #24
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everyone needs to get teased sometime, but that definition is straight outta my classical music text book.

Sure, it's just that you are applying it - forcingly, if you allow me to say that - to the context of pop music in a vague way, which ultimately doesn't do anything or anyone any good.
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Old 05.09.2008, 08:43 AM   #25
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well, pop aint homphonic, and it sure as fuck aint monophonic, so i guess it should be polyphonic, i dont really care about things like that thugh, type of texture used, color, etc.. i just care if it sounds cool to me.
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Old 05.09.2008, 11:51 AM   #26
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but it's the melody and hooks of pop music that make people like it. all pop songs are polyphonic.

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In music, polyphony is a texture consisting of two or more independent melodic voices, as opposed to music with just one voice (monophony) or music with one dominant melodic voice accompanied by chords(homophony).

I don't want to come across as a prick - literally speaking, you're right (poly = many; phonic = sounds [loosely]) - but the above is my understanding of polyphony, which doesn't occur in the majority of pop, which is more often than not homophonic.
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Old 05.09.2008, 11:52 AM   #27
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hes right

polyphony-a musical texture involving two or more simultaneously sounding lines; the lines are often often independent and and create counterpoint.


sounds like most pop to me.

Contrapuntal pop music is often mooted, but I've heard very little.
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Old 05.09.2008, 12:53 PM   #28
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Surely pop music, in it's most polished and generic form, at it's heart are songs with a structure and pattern that draws you in, verse chorus verse essentially...- you are compelled to listen to it, becuase after the first 30 seconds you can fairly accurately assume what patterns the song will follow. Pop fans engage with the music because of it's predicatability.

Like many sonic gossipers I was born wrong and somehow find formless and structureless music, a.k.a noise, as engaging if not moreso than 'pop'. Because I have no time for pop songs unless they have an interesting and unique take no pop structures (see SY) when someone turns on Radio 1 at college, pop music completely drifts over me, completely failing to grab my attention, much as a pop fan might react to noise. So, this said, the pop I hear on the radio, completely failing to engage with me, is essentially noise. I get the that same dead-inside bored feeling from pop as many do from noise. Is this what this poster is getting at, they're not saying they're the same thing, but rather they listen to pop in the same way as others do noise? If so, I agree.
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Old 05.09.2008, 04:37 PM   #29
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Well, that was a load of pious twaddle. Pop and noise are not opposed. It is possible to like both. Preferable, even.
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Old 05.09.2008, 04:40 PM   #30
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Surely pop music, in it's most polished and generic form, at it's heart are songs with a structure and pattern that draws you in, verse chorus verse essentially...- you are compelled to listen to it, becuase after the first 30 seconds you can fairly accurately assume what patterns the song will follow. Pop fans engage with the music because of it's predicatability.

Like many sonic gossipers I was born wrong and somehow find formless and structureless music, a.k.a noise, as engaging if not moreso than 'pop'. Because I have no time for pop songs unless they have an interesting and unique take no pop structures (see SY) when someone turns on Radio 1 at college, pop music completely drifts over me, completely failing to grab my attention, much as a pop fan might react to noise. So, this said, the pop I hear on the radio, completely failing to engage with me, is essentially noise. I get the that same dead-inside bored feeling from pop as many do from noise. Is this what this poster is getting at, they're not saying they're the same thing, but rather they listen to pop in the same way as others do noise? If so, I agree.

No you misinterpreted what I said. However, that was my fault I did not word it correctly. I think pop and noise can fuse into one. Both are equally enjoyable. However, I feel that many here at least can't accept that most pop music is actually great.
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Old 05.09.2008, 05:30 PM   #31
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In music, polyphony is a texture consisting of two or more independent melodic voices, as opposed to music with just one voice (monophony) or music with one dominant melodic voice accompanied by chords(homophony).
I don't want to come across as a prick - literally speaking, you're right (poly = many; phonic = sounds [loosely]) - but the above is my understanding of polyphony, which doesn't occur in the majority of pop, which is more often than not homophonic.

I think polyphony is present in songs like God only knows or Good vibrations for instance, songs that are rather very harmonically complex (in pop standards at least).
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You forgot to mention 'except Glice', but otherwise you're spot on.
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Old 08.01.2008, 04:35 PM   #33
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the best noise rock pop is POLVO's MY KIMONO
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Old 08.01.2008, 04:36 PM   #34
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it's not noisey though.
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pop rock is most definitely NOT
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it's not noisey though.

as "noise rock pop"

not noisey

everything polvo does is off tune and not proper "tones" so why is that not noise? does it have to be made without a guitar? does it have to be purely discordant feedback skronk to be noise?

I can tap on a hood of a car with a hammer and make a song and that shit is NOISE
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Yeah, feedback skronk is kinda the definition of "noise". Haha.

In all seriousness, my kimono is beautiful and doesn't have a hint of noise in it, its just some beautiful melodies. I don't consider that noise, even if the tuning is different. On the same hand, I wouldn't consider Jandek or -- again! -- Beefheart noise even if they sound kinda "out of tune" at times.
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Also, I wouldn't say everything Polvo does is out of tune sounding. "Shapes" is pretty straightforward rocking and even references Hendrix on one song. "Exploding Drawing" as well.

I don't think some notes on a guitar could qualify as noise, it's not even really distorted, just badly-recorded.

"Noise pop" to me is early Pavement, some early Thinking Fellers, early Swirlies (especially "Pancake")..

Also, I wouldn't call tapping on the hood of a car noise unless it was really arhythmic and random. Even then it may not sound like noise. Noise has a clearly defined and, um, "unmusical" sound to it.
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that's true. but music genre terms get so damn insular and refined after a while

joy division was grouped as goth music once, but why not the Misfits? and if a jopy division like band were to start today not a single goth would think "thios is goth music" you know?

when Confusion is Sex came out, that was as pure noise as many people had ever heard. but it was not the same noise as yoko put out or metal machine music, or silver sessions ssutff, you know?
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