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Old 03.08.2018, 09:17 AM   #50421
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It's weird how the tide is turning with this. Used to be EVERYONE would say Master Of Puppets was their best album. Now the contrarian view is to say that this is their best album. Which it isn't. At all.
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It's weird how the tide is turning with this. Used to be EVERYONE would say Master Of Puppets was their best album. Now the contrarian view is to say that this is their best album. Which it isn't. At all.

Master is more refined, sure. I can totally see how people like it more. It’s like “Daydream Nation” to RTL’s “Sister.” But I personally prefer RTL for a bunch of reasons, including the Cthulhu-referencing instrumental opus, the piercing, epic thrash-meets-NWOBHM sound and the simple fact that this album is ultimately more dynamic, partly because it’s less focused and perfected. The sharp points are sharper, the slow bits are slower, there are more ups and more downs. Master is like a machine, grinding along in perfect rhythm and at a perfect pace... Ride is like the medieval torture device that preceded proper industry... sharper edges, more dangerous, if less perfect. (Yeah I know it has an electric chair on its cover, but fuck it.)

If you prefer Master, I can’t argue or fault you. But if you’re one of those Mutt Lange-loving Black album fans, well... yuck.
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Trapped Under Ice and Fight Fire With Fire are my favorite tracks on Ride the Lightning, but for Lovecraft references, The Thing That Should Not Be on Master of Puppets is a far better song than Call of ktulu imo...
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I just started to listen to Metallica, and I'm going back and forth between "Ride the Lightning" & "Kill 'Em All" as my favourites.

Master of Puppets is okay. I haven't really warmed up to ...And Justice For All (except for "One")

The Black album is good, a little easier on the ears than Justice or Puppets, but maybe a little more meh.

I haven't listened to any other Metallica yet. Is Load any good?
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I haven't listened to Load/Reload in years.

I always like S&M even if it's kind of gimmicky.
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Old 03.08.2018, 08:14 PM   #50427
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I just started to listen to Metallica, and I'm going back and forth between "Ride the Lightning" & "Kill 'Em All" as my favourites.

Master of Puppets is okay. I haven't really warmed up to ...And Justice For All (except for "One")

The Black album is good, a little easier on the ears than Justice or Puppets, but maybe a little more meh.

I haven't listened to any other Metallica yet. Is Load any good?

If you were in junior high when Load and Reload came out, youíd find something to like about them. But theyíre just... ugh... just, like, total jizz compared to the first three albums.

And Justice for All is the most hard on the ears because itís mixed like dick. A thorough remix of the original masters would be a welcome thing. As things stand, itís not something I ever listen to, though I know it has some nice moments (despite the tin foil din.... itís like a stadium metal album that aspires to sound like a HŁsker DŁ record. Itís just a terrible job, truly).

Black album is shit. Just dumbed down, short, poppy sellable version of the Master of Puppets approach. Fuck that shit. And fuck everything else.

S&M is fun for the older thrashy songs played with a symphony. Otherwise, bleh meh meh
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Bought this the day it came out. Special place in heart for always. Not my favorite Polly Jean album, but goddamn great indeed
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Old 03.09.2018, 03:44 AM   #50431
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If you were in junior high when Load and Reload came out, youíd find something to like about them. But theyíre just... ugh... just, like, total jizz compared to the first three albums.

And Justice for All is the most hard on the ears because itís mixed like dick. A thorough remix of the original masters would be a welcome thing. As things stand, itís not something I ever listen to, though I know it has some nice moments (despite the tin foil din.... itís like a stadium metal album that aspires to sound like a HŁsker DŁ record. Itís just a terrible job, truly).

Black album is shit. Just dumbed down, short, poppy sellable version of the Master of Puppets approach. Fuck that shit. And fuck everything else.

S&M is fun for the older thrashy songs played with a symphony. Otherwise, bleh meh meh

Cool thanks for the reply & advice
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Old 03.09.2018, 07:40 AM   #50432
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Cool thanks for the reply & advice

No prob man.

Early Metallica is just totally classic (never let anyone tell you otherwise), and I have fond memories of “Hero of the Day” and “The Memory Remains” and stuff from Load and Reload, but if you didn’t grow up with those albums I’d say there’s nothing worth visiting there for the first time now. Nostalgic appeal alone. Kinda like, y’know, Oasis or pre-“Ok-this-is-legitimately-and-inarguably-awful-and-we-can’t-pretend-it’s-anything-but” Smashing Pumpkins.
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Kinda like, yíknow, Oasis or pre-ďOk-this-is-legitimately-and-inarguably-awful-and-we-canít-pretend-itís-anything-butĒ Smashing Pumpkins.

you're trolling me aren't you?

For me personally, Metallica was always... eh. My first real exposure to them was the black album, but this was around the same time that Nirvana/Pearl Jam/RHCP came into my world. I was what? 10? 11? And this was really when music started to matter to me. So really Metallica at that time was like "oh I like a few songs," but I lumped them in w/ like GnR as this sort of lame testosterony rock that stuff like Nirvana was the antithesis to.

In high school it was all the meatheads that were into Metallica. Load and all that was huge for them. Wasn't there a Some Kind Of Monster soundtrack too? I don't remember. SO I kind of stayed away/hated it by association of that group of high school jerks.

As stated, I did find something interesting about S&M at the time. Because it actually seemed interesting, and maybe outside the comfort zone of usual Metallica fans? I don't know.

So I didn't really come around to the band until like 2008 when everyone here was into Death Magnetic. I feel like my reaction was "wait, what? You guys like Metallica? Really?" - which I imagine is how everyone thought of me talking about Korn at the time so whatevs. So then I did kind of give them more of a shot and revisit things and explore more.

I'm still not a big fan or anythign, but I respect them more. This conversation even has me more interested again.

I've heard most of the studio albums. At least up through Reload. Or St. Anger.

I've always been interested in Live Shit: Binge & Purge, and Garage Inc. Can anyone speak on the quality of those?

I've also always meant to watch Some Kind Of Monster, as I've heard it's pretty fascinating.

Oh fuck off. I feel like you guys just made me interested in Metallica again. :\
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I've also always meant to watch Some Kind Of Monster, as I've heard it's pretty fascinating.

Great flick! Even non-Metallica fans will find it absorbing, because it's ultimately about basic human behavior. Heck, even non-music fans can dig it.
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you're trolling me aren't you?

For me personally, Metallica was always... eh. My first real exposure to them was the black album, but this was around the same time that Nirvana/Pearl Jam/RHCP came into my world. I was what? 10? 11? And this was really when music started to matter to me. So really Metallica at that time was like "oh I like a few songs," but I lumped them in w/ like GnR as this sort of lame testosterony rock that stuff like Nirvana was the antithesis to.

In high school it was all the meatheads that were into Metallica. Load and all that was huge for them. Wasn't there a Some Kind Of Monster soundtrack too? I don't remember. SO I kind of stayed away/hated it by association of that group of high school jerks.

As stated, I did find something interesting about S&M at the time. Because it actually seemed interesting, and maybe outside the comfort zone of usual Metallica fans? I don't know.

So I didn't really come around to the band until like 2008 when everyone here was into Death Magnetic. I feel like my reaction was "wait, what? You guys like Metallica? Really?" - which I imagine is how everyone thought of me talking about Korn at the time so whatevs. So then I did kind of give them more of a shot and revisit things and explore more.

I'm still not a big fan or anythign, but I respect them more. This conversation even has me more interested again.

I've heard most of the studio albums. At least up through Reload. Or St. Anger.

I've always been interested in Live Shit: Binge & Purge, and Garage Inc. Can anyone speak on the quality of those?

I've also always meant to watch Some Kind Of Monster, as I've heard it's pretty fascinating.

Oh fuck off. I feel like you guys just made me interested in Metallica again. :\

The black album was my first introduction to Metallica too. It's not a shit album like Sev says. The second half of the album (save for Of Wolf And Man) is whatever, but the first half? Man, I was obsessed with those songs when I was a teen. Having said that, I cold quite happily never listen to Nothing Else Matters again. The mopey "i'm in love and it hurts" ruined that song for me.

Some Kind Of Monster is easily one of the best documentaries out there. Easily. Just miss too much from cringing so much. Paying a psychiatrist $50,000 a week (was it that much?) to tell you how to get your shit together is next level stuff.

Live Shit Binge and Purge was great from what I remember. Say what you like about them, they know how to do a great gig.
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Anyway, whilst I'm here I might as well add that I've been hammering Steely Dan and St. Vincent.

I'd actually never listened to St. Vincent before this week. She was always one those, as with so many bands, that I knew but never bothered with.
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Ha. I guess I started a Metallica debate.

Was listening to Crazy for You by Best Coast but I have to go
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Ha. I guess I started a Metallica debate.

Was listening to Crazy for You by Best Coast but I have to go

Better than any Metallica album.
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you're trolling me aren't you?

For me personally, Metallica was always... eh. My first real exposure to them was the black album, but this was around the same time that Nirvana/Pearl Jam/RHCP came into my world. I was what? 10? 11? And this was really when music started to matter to me. So really Metallica at that time was like "oh I like a few songs," but I lumped them in w/ like GnR as this sort of lame testosterony rock that stuff like Nirvana was the antithesis to.

In high school it was all the meatheads that were into Metallica. Load and all that was huge for them. Wasn't there a Some Kind Of Monster soundtrack too? I don't remember. SO I kind of stayed away/hated it by association of that group of high school jerks.

As stated, I did find something interesting about S&M at the time. Because it actually seemed interesting, and maybe outside the comfort zone of usual Metallica fans? I don't know.

So I didn't really come around to the band until like 2008 when everyone here was into Death Magnetic. I feel like my reaction was "wait, what? You guys like Metallica? Really?" - which I imagine is how everyone thought of me talking about Korn at the time so whatevs. So then I did kind of give them more of a shot and revisit things and explore more.

I'm still not a big fan or anythign, but I respect them more. This conversation even has me more interested again.

I've heard most of the studio albums. At least up through Reload. Or St. Anger.

I've always been interested in Live Shit: Binge & Purge, and Garage Inc. Can anyone speak on the quality of those?

I've also always meant to watch Some Kind Of Monster, as I've heard it's pretty fascinating.

Oh fuck off. I feel like you guys just made me interested in Metallica again. :\


Hereís the thing about Metallica: Their first three (or four, or even five if youíre asking some people.... but I say first three) albums are just undeniably influential, significant and awesome. Iím almost never in the mood to listen to any kind of metal, but when I am, I canít hell but compare what Iím hearing ó even if itís a totally different sub genre like Deafheaven or The Body ó to Kill ĎEm All/Ride The Lightning/Master of Puppets. Those albums are the Bible of the genre post-Sabbath. Some may say AC/DC or Judas Priest, but no... Metal *is* those albums (and of course the first handful of Slayer release).

Everything after that is just variations on arena-level hard rock. I listened to Black and Load and Reload in school and liked most of it well enough, but itís not essential.

I feel perfectly happy and comfortable placing Metallicaís first three albums right next to Meat Puppets and Minutemen in my album collection, and Iíll defend that shit to the death against anyone who wants to take issues with it.

Personally I prefer Slayer on an aesthetic level ó they had more of a punk think going under the thrash ó but Metallicaís first trilogy of albums is something every self-respecting music fan should probably own.

After that itís whatever.
Iím actually surprised to hear that people here liked Death Magnetic in 2008. I canít remember anything from that album except that it sounded like it was recorded in a two dimensional coffin (like the one on the cover!) ... so people probably appreciated the ďDIYĒ-ness of it. But meh. IDGAF about it or anything else that came out after 1988 at the absolute latest, except for the aforementioned nostalgic connection to, like, ďHero of the Day.Ē But itís not good music. (Actually it probably is, technically speaking, good music, but artistically itís candy.)

I wasnít trolling you with the SPs comment. Not intentionally anyway. Thatís just what came out of my brain/fingers at that moment. Swear to god.
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